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Title: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on May 20, 2011, 03:31:06 AM
I decided to create a new topic within the Raiders Talk board, entitled "Stadium Issues".
We can discuss any stadium related things here, as in...."Will the Raiders stay in Oakland?.....Will they build a new stadium here? Will they leave Oakland for a new stadium elsewhere?, should they share a new stadium with the 49ers?" etc.

Here's an article I just ran across from a 49ers fan who would be in favor of the Raiders and 49ers sharing a stadium because he thinks it would put the Raiders a notch below the 49ers since the stadium would be in Santa Clara and he thinks the Raiders would be in essence "sub leasing" the stadium. He likes the idea of having the Raiders a notch below the 49ers.


49ers Stadium Issues: Oakland Raiders fans versus San Francisco 49ers Fans

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/5/19/2180171/49ers-stadium-issues-oakland-raiders-fans-versus-san-francisco-49ers
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on May 20, 2011, 06:21:05 AM
i dont want the raiders to move to santa clara... That would be a stupid move. Sharing a stadium with niners fans... Where all us silver & black fellas gonna pea. Itd be a stadium built wth only female cubicles and glory holes for all them faggot ass fanbase.

i would however be welcome to a move back to Los Angeles... But happy in Oakland as primary option.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Greg on May 20, 2011, 02:01:40 PM
I decided to create a new topic within the Raiders Talk board, entitled "Stadium Issues".
We can discuss any stadium related things here, as in...."Will the Raiders stay in Oakland?.....Will they build a new stadium here? Will they leave Oakland for a new stadium elsewhere?, should they share a new stadium with the 49ers?" etc.

Here's an article I just ran across from a 49ers fan who would be in favor of the Raiders and 49ers sharing a stadium because he thinks it would put the Raiders a notch below the 49ers since the stadium would be in Santa Clara and he thinks the Raiders would be in essence "sub leasing" the stadium. He likes the idea of having the Raiders a notch below the 49ers.


49ers Stadium Issues: Oakland Raiders fans versus San Francisco 49ers Fans

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/5/19/2180171/49ers-stadium-issues-oakland-raiders-fans-versus-san-francisco-49ers
HEY.........FUCK THOSE NINER BITCHES!!!!!!. Now that I got that out....EVERYONE here in the Bay area KNOWS that the Oakland Coliseum property is the BEST place for a stadium for EVERY reason...The Niners are not doing their fans any favors moving to Santa Clara...Its Hours away from the City and its a commute NIGHTMARE! Oakland is closer and it already has BART (Millions of public money will need to be spent for a BART station in Santa Clara) and is within "walking" distance from Oakland Airport. The Train is very close and a Ferry Port could be added for "Those" other fans....The land around it is prime for redevelopment and has room for new hotels restaurants etc. Bottom line is this is the 800 lb gorrilla in the room and THIS is where the NEW stadium should be......The Santa Clara idea had been a pain in the ass for years and there are people that will make HUGE money that bought up all the land around the Santa Clara area way before the stadium deal was released to the public......Once again the NFL is looking out for the ultra rich and, well, fuck the fans.......
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Millernation on May 20, 2011, 09:53:35 PM
Yeah, keep the raiders in oakland, we have enough trouble with the doyers fans out here (joke)
Title: "L.A. is a possibility. Wherever is a possibility " - Mark Davis
Post by: Randy on January 11, 2012, 12:59:09 AM
Mark Davis, post-presser: “Los Angeles is a possibility. Wherever is a possibility”

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/01/10/mark-davis-post-presser-los-angeles-is-a-possibility-wherever-is-a-possibility/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825e32fc/article/mark-davis-not-against-idea-of-raiders-moving-from-bay-area-?module=HP11_writer_experts

Title: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on January 11, 2012, 01:58:17 AM
Can't stand this topic as much as how long it's been since we won a SB! World looks more and more like its going to end in 2012 like the movie! :) hehehe


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Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: ManchesterRaider on January 14, 2012, 09:31:09 AM
As an Englishman the very idea of a sporting organisation simply moving lock, stock and barrel to another area is unthinkable! I can only think of one example where a soccer team team did this, Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes a mere 63 miles away ( not that far in US terms ) and the backlash and controversey were enormous! This is because a sporting organisation over here is so much part of a communities identity that it defines you. If I go anywhere round the globe and I'm asked where Im from the mere mention of Manchester invariably leads to a response of, "Ah! Manchester United!!!", usually followed by a role call of their favourite past players! The vast majority of fans have a club or team 'bestowed upon them' due to their geographic home. For example I know lots of guys that grew up as Rochdale fans because that's where they lived and subsequently have watched lesser standard soccer than a friend who lived a few miles up the road who could claim to support a bigger club like Manchester United or Manchester City.

I say all this because it must be heartbreaking to have your club ripped from your breast and plonked down somewhere near LA with no thought being given to the fans who have supported the organisation in the most important way I.e. filling the stadium and putting ticket money in the hands of the owners.

There are many things to admire in American sport such as the draft system and the excitement of the play-offs but the 'franchise' culture is one aspect that I'm pleased to say we don't have here in the UK.

PS I hope that if the Raiders do relocate to LA then I hope the enthusiasm of Randy and Gregs to produce the podcast does not diminish as its a lifeline here in the UK as to all things Raiders and I really enjoy the show.

Keep up the good work, Raiders for life!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Frank on January 20, 2012, 05:24:54 AM
I know that the “O” needs a lot of work, luxury boxes, smaller stadium etc....

I can see them sharing a stadium with the 49ers.
But the prices they are going to charge their fans are outrageous.
They can almost guarantee an empty stadium or filled with a lot of corporate wannabes

Those costs that they will try to get from Raider fans, well good luck
Not the hard hat, working class types that are real Raider fans.
I know we have fans that are Lawyers and Doctors and the like
but the majority of fans are like all of us.

Stay in Oakland or find a new site in the Bay area

With one goal in mind
“Just win Baby”
 
Go Raiders
Raider Frank
Title: Oakland's plan for new "Coliseum City" for Raiders, A's, Warriors
Post by: Randy on January 20, 2012, 06:41:08 AM
Did you guys see this proposal for a new "Coliseum City?
This isn't a new story, it's over a month old, but I didn't post it at the time so I'm doing it now.

(http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/images/forum/coliseum_village.jpg)

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2011/12/09/quan-pushing-plan-for-sports-village-for-as-warriors-and-raiders
Title: Re: Oakland's plan for new "Coliseum City" for Raiders, A's, Warriors
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on January 20, 2012, 09:36:27 AM


(http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/images/forum/coliseum_village.jpg)

Coliseum City isn't happening.. It's a last ditch plan by Mayor Quan to get all 3 teams to stay. Raiders are the most likely team out of the 3 sporting teams currently at the Coliseum to stay with the Athletics all but gone (announcement soon from the MLB) & The Warriors front office has made it been known that they want to eventually move to San Francisco.

If those 2 tenants do leave.. the Raiders will be free to build their own stadium in the Oakland lot...

The Question I must raise is if the Raiders do get involved in this Coliseum City (& knock the old one down) where do they play for those 3 or 4 years it would take to build the new structure??? Could CAL University host them??? I have no idea... Perhaps they could play in Santa Clara or Candlestick while we build our new digs.

I think we will find out more info about the Raiders stadium plans in this offseason (If it's in the Bay Area).. Roger Goodell is going to have to wait til Monday until the Niners get booted from the playoffs and then he can discuss the funding aspects of 2 Bay Area teams sharing the same stadium.

If the Raiders move to Los Angeles (or elsewhere)... You won't hear anything until the 11th hour (week 16 of 2013 season) because Mark Davis & Co would be idiotic to tell of their L.A intentions and watch the Raider Nation boycott the organization in masses whilst the Raiders play out the 2012 'n' 2013 seasons of their O.Co stadium lease.

Title: Re: Oakland's plan for new "Coliseum City" for Raiders, A's, Warriors
Post by: Randy on January 20, 2012, 07:56:00 PM


(http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/images/forum/coliseum_village.jpg)

Coliseum City isn't happening...

If the Raiders move to Los Angeles (or elsewhere)... You won't hear anything until the 11th hour (week 16 of 2013 season) because Mark Davis & Co would be idiotic to tell of their L.A intentions and watch the Raider Nation boycott the organization in masses whilst the Raiders play out the 2012 'n' 2013 seasons of their O.Co stadium lease.

You're right about that. That's how I was able to get my first season tickets for the Raiders in 1980. They had been sold out for almost a decade and there was a long waiting list of people wanting season tickets.....until.....word got out that they were planning to move to LA......then people got mad, started giving up their season tickets, and I was able to get them for the '80 and '81 seasons.....then they did move to LA.

By the way, I was paying $170 per season for my one seat back then....$17 a game. Now I pay $151 a game. Well, I'm in the club section now....a little better than the wooden bleacher seat I had back then....but it was fun! They didn't always win though. They had their troubles back then too.

In 1981 the Raiders were SHUT OUT in three consecutive games. Games 4, 5, and 6. 16-0 at Detroit, 17-0 at home vs the Broncos, then 27-0 at KC. One of my friends, who was a 49ers fan, went to the record books and told me that the last team to have three consecutive shutouts handed to them was the New York Yankees football team. Did any of you even know there was a Yankees football team? They played in the "First" AFL in 1926, then the NFL in '27 and '28.

After those three shutouts in '81, the Raiders finally won against Tampa Bay 18-16 in game 7 to break the shutout streak. Three consecutive shutouts is an all-time record the Raiders still share with the Yankees. The Raiders finished that season 7-9.....then played in LA the following year....the strike shortened 1982 season where they finished 8-1.....then had the Superbowl year in '83.

P.S.

I looked up the New York Yankees football team's 1928 season game scores, and they actually got shut out 4 consecutive games. But the 2nd of those 4 shutouts was not a loss, it was a tie (0-0) against the Packers. Check it out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1928_New_York_Yankees_season_%28NFL%29

(http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/images/forum/nyyankees_football_team.jpg)
Title: Re: Oakland's plan for new "Coliseum City" for Raiders, A's, Warriors
Post by: Randy on January 20, 2012, 08:51:52 PM


(http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/images/forum/coliseum_village.jpg)

Coliseum City isn't happening...The Question I must raise is if the Raiders do get involved in this Coliseum City (& knock the old one down) where do they play for those 3 or 4 years it would take to build the new structure??? Could CAL University host them???

Your Bay Area knowledge is always impressive, especially considering you're "down under". One minor error in your wording though....I've never heard of the University of California referred to as "CAL University". I've heard it referred to as:

The University of California
UC Berkeley
Cal Berkeley
UC Berkeley
Berkeley

or just plain "Cal"

but not "CAL University"  ;)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Tokai Raider on January 21, 2012, 05:17:27 AM
I think California University is where the kids from Beverly Hills 90210 went to college. (It was one of the few English shows on TV when I first moved to Japan.)

Where the Raiders would play for a few years while the stadium is built would be relatively easy to arrange. Candlestick, maybe, Cal, or Stanford. The bigger issue is who would pay for it and how much would tickets cost. Anyone want to pay $80,000 for the right to get season tickets on the 50 yard line at the Niners' new stadium? If you thought the last PSLs were bad, just wait for the new ones.

The Warriors are so full of shit it's unbelievable. They claim that they have the oldest arena, or the second-oldest, or something, when their arena was completely gutted and rebuilt just recently. It's not the same arena, but they whine that it is. And then the press repeats the lie. Why? Because the SF papers want the team in SF. Meanwhile, they fill the stands even though they haven't been a relevant team since Rick Barry played for them. And that was so long ago that Rick Barry's kids aren't even playing anymore. Sure there was Run DMC, but a couple years of success doesn't make you relevant. Consistent winning does. So let those fuckers leave. They have a brand-new training facility in Oakland and a new arena, but all they care about is the increased value of the team when they sell it. So fuck 'em.

The A's are moving to SJ. Sad, but true.

Can a "Coliseum City" live with only 1 sports tenant that only has 8 home games a year? The Raiders and Niners should share a stadium. It makes sense financially. And maybe with 2 teams, they could cut the cost of the PSLs so that someone other than Larry Ellison could afford them. It would be great if that stadium were in Oakland, and the Coliseum is a good spot for that. It has a freeway, BART, and Amtrak service, and it could be rebuilt so it's not so ... barren. But we need to remember that wherever these teams play, the price of tickets will be ridiculously high.
Title: "Owners approve loan for 49ers" - 2/2/12
Post by: Randy on February 02, 2012, 10:05:42 PM
Owners Approve Loan for 49ers

for the Santa Clara stadium...

"N.F.L. owners, in a brief meeting here Thursday, approved a $200 million loan for the San Francisco 49ers, who hope to soon break ground in Santa Clara, Calif., on a replacement for Candlestick Park.

The stadium, which would be across the street from the 49ers’ training facility, is likely to cost about $1 billion, and will seat about 68,000 people. The rest of the project will be funded by an $850 million construction loan that Santa Clara approved in December.

Site preparation has already begun for the stadium and it could be ready for the 2014 or 2015 season. There remains the chance that the Oakland Raiders – who are also badly in need of a new stadium – could share the stadium with the 49ers. That would solve one of the N.F.L.’s thorniest problems – all of its teams in California need new stadiums, and a new stadium will also have to be built In Los Angeles before a team moves there, but there is little support for publicly-funded stadiums in the state."


http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/owners-approve-loan-for-49ers/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8268ad55/article/nfl-will-help-niners-pay-for-new-stadium-in-santa-clara

http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_19878108

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/58607/about-the-49ers-new-ownership-partner
Title: Stadium Issues
Post by: NCRaider on February 03, 2012, 01:03:02 AM
Randy-

As I read this I'm trying to figure out if this is hurts or improves the raiders chances of:

a) getting league approval for funding for a new Oakland stadium when presented
b) increases chances of the raiders playing in the santa Clara with the 9rs
c) worst case moving to LA (IMO)?

Curious, does anyone not living in the bay area care?



Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 03, 2012, 01:30:57 AM
Randy-

As I read this I'm trying to figure out if this is hurts or improves the raiders chances of:

a) getting league approval for funding for a new Oakland stadium when presented
b) increases chances of the raiders playing in the santa Clara with the 9rs
c) worst case moving to LA (IMO)?

Curious, does anyone not living in the bay area care?

Mark Davis said at Reggie McKenzie hire press conference that L.A was a possibility and that Sharing stadium at Santa Clara was a potential possibility... If you're like me and trying to read between the lines then the word 'potential' indicates 'more likely than LA'

A stadium is not getting built in Oakland (IMO). The Oakland City Council can't afford it & no private investment will flow in because the current site is in the ghetto.

I think what will happen is the Raiders will get an invitation from Jed York to be tenants of the new 49'ers stadium... But they may try & bully the Raiders out of the Bay Area by not even extending an invitation & forcing Mark Davis back to Southern California... That's my take on it & how I see it panning out.


Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on February 03, 2012, 03:01:29 AM
Randy-

As I read this I'm trying to figure out if this is hurts or improves the raiders chances of:

a) getting league approval for funding for a new Oakland stadium when presented
b) increases chances of the raiders playing in the santa Clara with the 9rs
c) worst case moving to LA (IMO)?

Curious, does anyone not living in the bay area care?

a) I think the fact that the NLF owners voted to grant the stadium money to the 49ers probably WOULD make it harder for the Raiders to get a grant of their own, since the NFL is encouraging the 49ers and Raiders to share the stadium. I'm wondering if they would also grant the Raiders an equal amount of money to go in half and half. They're granting the 49ers $200 million towards a $1 Billion stadium. If they also granted the Raiders $200 million, then they would only.....ONLY  ;D.... have to come up with another $600 Million. Actually....I'm just re-reading they articles...and it looks like this money isn't a grant...it's a loan. I don't know the terms of the loan, but I guess the whole $1 Billion will have to be paid at some point (plus interest).

b) I don't think this increases the chances of the Raiders playing in Santa Clara or decreases, since I think it was probably expected that this "loan" would be approved by the NFL owners.

c) Increase Raiders chances of moving to LA? I don't know why this would increase or decrease that likelihood.


I think that sharing a stadium seems like the only reasonable option if the Raiders want to stay in the Bay Area. I know they prefer Oakland to Santa Clara, but trying to build a new stadium on their own would be a lot tougher. I don't think people are going to accept personal seat licenses....AGAIN. They have finally sold out the Coliseum for every game of the season, but it wouldn't take long to reverse that if ticket prices go up, and especially if we don't start winning more!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on February 03, 2012, 05:03:05 AM
Its stupid for the NFL to want to put a shared stadium with two teams that dont share the same city name and are rivals and to put it in Santa Clara?...Cant wait for the Raiders to come back L.A.....Mark Davis knows wheres the money is at...L.A. homie!!!...come back home fuck the rest!... 8) 8)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on February 03, 2012, 05:28:22 AM
Its stupid for the NFL to want to put a shared stadium with two teams that don't share the same city name and are rivals and to put it in Santa Clara?

What about the Giants and the Jets? They share a stadium that not only isn't in New York City, it isn't even in the same state! It's in East Rutherford, New Jersey!

I did notice while looking through these articles about their shared stadium.....in the first article, written before the stadium was built, they anticipated the cost being $800 Million. The third article, written as the stadium was about to open, said the cost turned out to be $1.6 Billion......double the original estimate!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/sports/football/29cnd-stadium.html?pagewanted=all

http://technorati.com/sports/football/article/giants-jets-open-up-new-stadium/

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/new_meadowlands_stadium_opens.html
Title: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on February 03, 2012, 03:23:27 PM
Its stupid for the NFL to want to put a shared stadium with two teams that dont share the same city name and are rivals and to put it in Santa Clara?...Cant wait for the Raiders to come back L.A.....Mark Davis knows wheres the money is at...L.A. homie!!!...come back home fuck the rest!... 8) 8)
I'll be calling them the "LA Traiders" for the rest of my life! ....They could move there and win 20 SB's and I won't give a fuck or even know about it!  They can sell out if they want too....rappers and heavy metal bands do it all the time ....SELL OUT and become a cooperate tool! .....Raiders will be nothing more than a cooperate tool moving to LA....their mystic will be gone...they'll have a nice burst of excitement when they get there the first couple years...wait till they lose and fans leave a new stadium empty and Mark will be forced to sell it to a cooperate asshole in 3 years and the team will be owned by someone who will care less about winning and more concern about butts in seats and become a futuristic Lions of the new century!  There will be no Al Davis to bridge the fan base back together...it'll be fucking stupid...but I'll feel relieved knowing I don't have to give a fuck about the bullshit anymore...So if they leave I'm free....they stay...well I'll be happy and continue to watch them climb the mountain like I have the last 32 years! 


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Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Greg on February 03, 2012, 04:17:30 PM
Its stupid for the NFL to want to put a shared stadium with two teams that dont share the same city name and are rivals and to put it in Santa Clara?...Cant wait for the Raiders to come back L.A.....Mark Davis knows wheres the money is at...L.A. homie!!!...come back home fuck the rest!... 8) 8)
I know the LA Raider Nation would love to see the Raiders return to LA.....Be careful what you ask for Bro...... The PSL or "Private Seat License" will be INSANE!!!! First you will need to pay the PSL and for decent seats as much as $20,000.00 for a pair of seats......THAT only gives you the right to buy your tickets at 2,000.00 for the pair each season....AND GET THIS... IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO BUY YOUR SEATS YOU CANNOT SELL THE PLS.... NOPE THEY CHARGE THE NEST SEASON TICKET HOLDER A PLS....AND YOUR STUCK WITH  SHIT IN YOUR HAND...... This is Why I am happy with the Coliseum..... it might be old and gray but its HOME and the cost of a seat is affordable to the average family...... Mark Davis wants MILLIONaires to come to games..... That would knock Raider Greg out of the game... Thats why.....A SHARED STADIUM IS THE BEST FOR THE FANS..... WE CAN SHARE THE COST BETWEEN TWO FAN BASES......THEN THE COST WOULD BE AT LEAST REASONABLE..... 8)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: NCRaider on February 03, 2012, 04:23:13 PM
There was talk of a concept being proposed to Oakland City council called "Coliseum City" has that been ruled out of the equation going forward?

 
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on February 03, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
This article just posted by Kingsford Kirk on FB ...makes me feel a little better and shut the talk down a little ...take a read the NFL wants to expand to 34 teams and use LA as the site!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/02/commissioner-roger-goodell-nfl-might-expand-to-34-teams-to-include-los-angeles/1
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Matty Raider on February 03, 2012, 05:15:23 PM
This article just posted by Kingsford Kirk on FB ...makes me feel a little better and shut the talk down a little ...take a read the NFL wants to expand to 34 teams and use LA as the site!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/02/commissioner-roger-goodell-nfl-might-expand-to-34-teams-to-include-los-angeles/1

Great link - thanks Mike.  Goodell can suck it though.  Him and his "small market" areas/teams he is always yapping about.  He wants to move less "sexy" teams to major cities - i.e. Jacksonville, Buffalo, etc.  Especially Buffalo - not only b/c it is my home state but that it is actually the only REAL team that plays in NY.  (Giants and Jets play in NJ)  The Raiders/Bills games there are great contests and it's ball-busting btwn fans the entire time.  Bills fans are die-hard and they love their team.  It's all a f'n money grab.  Buffalo is a great city and a great atmosphere for football.  These suits want all glitz and glamour, they don't give a damn about history or their fans.  The league has enough teams already - if you don't think so, anyone care to watch a Browns/Bucs game????  :P  I actually became a Raiders fan when they were in LA in the late 80s.  I am glad they moved back to Oakland and it is my hope they will always stay there.   
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on February 03, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
This article just posted by Kingsford Kirk on FB ...makes me feel a little better and shut the talk down a little ...take a read the NFL wants to expand to 34 teams and use LA as the site!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/02/commissioner-roger-goodell-nfl-might-expand-to-34-teams-to-include-los-angeles/1

That's good and bad. Every time they expand the league and add more teams, it makes it that much harder to make the Superbowl. Right now, with 32 teams......if all teams were equal......each team would win one Superbowl every 32 years. With 34 teams it would average to 34 years!

It's been 29 years since the Raiders won their last one.....so it's almost our time! Let's see.....we last won in 1983. Add 32 years.....that would have us winning in 2015. Then with 34 teams we would be due for our next win in 2049. I can't wait! I'll be 96.  ???
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Millernation on February 03, 2012, 07:24:45 PM
Bowl cut doesn't give a frogs fat azz about th raiders, he will milk them dry then sell the team.  He will go where the money is.  he would move the team to Iran if the price was right
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 03, 2012, 09:21:07 PM
Question is.. If the Raiders do move back to L.A, Do you do what half the fan base of the Raiders did 30 years ago & jump on the 49'ers bandwagon?

It was the worst possible outcome for Al Davis maintaining his northern Cali fanbase when he moved South... Sure the Raiders won their fairshare of Lombardis in L.A but the early 80's saw one of the greatest dynasty form in the history of all sports.. the mighty 49'ers who won 5 Lombardis over the span of the next 15 or so years.

I have my own pros & cons about a move to Los Angeles.

PRO:
*More Coverage for International fans (media talks about us more, more prime time games are alloted cause it's L.A)
*Raiders have easier ability to attract free agents (SOCAL>NOCAL lifestyle, weather is better... Plus L.A has a large population & you'd be able to attract a bigger pool of players cheap on the hometown discount "Like your Marcus Allens")


CONS: (A lot of gameday Cons for me)
*Alienated fanbase (sure it'd be sweet for L.A Raider Nation, But the Bay Area would truly become a Niner town)
*Ticket pricing (You can kiss goodbye the rowdy blue collar hardcore fan, We'd be the new Wine&Cheese Nation)
*Farmers Field (All but rules out the tailgating experience, Hopefully Dodgers Stadium becomes a NFL reality)
*Couldn't visit my RNP friends and families @ Kingsford Kirk tailgate... But I'm sure there'd be a bunch of NoCAL fans who'd still make every game in SoCAL cause they bleed silver & Black... Just like you meet people at the Coliseum who fly up from L.A every Sunday. (They can afford too, but it's not possible for everyone)


Hey last thought, I wonder if the city of Oakland would have a good enough case to sue Mark Davis if he did want to move to Los Angeles? The law suit could aim to achieve what the people of Seattle did when their Sonics moved to Oklahoma or what the people of Cleveland did when the former Browns ownership wanted to do when they moved to Baltimore??? I guess there is a precedent that the Davis family has already moved to Los Angeles so that he'd probably win that case... But would fence sitters like Raider MIKE be keen to support the Raiders if owned by another group & Mark splits to L.A & turns the Raiders into the L.A Hotrods football team.
Title: Stadium Issues
Post by: NCRaider on February 04, 2012, 01:12:58 AM
NFLN showing clips from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's state of the union address says league might expand to 34 teams if it returns to L.A. market, with the expansion teams playing in L.A. He's says he wants to keep teams where they ARE now....
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 04, 2012, 01:18:29 AM
NFLN showing clips from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's state of the union address says league might expand to 34 teams if it returns to L.A. market, with the expansion teams playing in L.A.

Goodell wants to keep his teams where they are but I can guarantee the owners in St Louis, San Diego, Jacksonville, Minnesota etc are all salivatating at the thought of getting to L.A.

It would increase the value of their franchises... If Roger Goodell thinks he can tell owners where they can stay then he's in for big surprise. (Al Davis set the precedent by suing Pete Rozelle & the NFL)

I think Goodell's words will only speed up the process of certain teams announcing their intentions to move to L.A (That's if anyone is willing to move to Los Angeles & alienate their fan base in the next couple of years whilst the current stadium lease expires/until L.A stadium is built)
Title: Stadium Issues
Post by: NCRaider on February 04, 2012, 02:30:37 AM
NFLN showing clips from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's state of the union address says league might expand to 34 teams if it returns to L.A. market, with the expansion teams playing in L.A.

Goodell wants to keep his teams where they are but I can Gaurentee the owners in St Louis, San Diego, Jacksonville, Minesota ect are all salivitating at the thought of getting to L.A.

It would increase the value of their franchises... If Roger Goodell thinks he can tell owners where they can stay then he's in for big surprise. (Al Davis set the precedent by suing Pete Rozelle & the NFL)

I think Goodell's words will only speed up the process of certain teams announcing their intentions to move to L.A (That's if anyone is willing to move to Los Angeles & alienate their fan base in the next couple of years whilst the current stadium lease expires/until L.A stadium is built)

Yeah I must say I was surprised by his comments. The first I've heard of this plan (possible smoke screen) for 2 expansion teams in LA. In one respect gr8 news for the bay area but to your point will this prompt the raiders & others to act quickly?

Quite frankly even if Roger wants the teams to stay put does he have the power to stop it? You're right, the precedent has been set...

I guess I just find it difficult to believe that a commissioner hell bent on protecting the sheild, image, amplifying the fan experience will allow a team to be uprooted from its fans without a fight (legal).
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 04, 2012, 03:12:29 AM
Yeah I must say I was surprised by his comments. The first I've heard of this plan(possible smoke screen) for 2 expansion teams in LA. In one respect gr8 news for the bay area but to your point will this prompt the raiders & others to act quickly?
Quite frankly even if Roger wants the teams to stay put does he have the power to stop it? Your right the precedent has been set...
I guess I just find it difficult to believe that a commissioner hell bent on protecting the sheild, image, amplifying the fan experience will allow a team to be uprooted from its fans without a fight(legal).

Is his name Stan Kroenke??? (owner of the RAMS)

Well supposedly he is in the bidding negotiations to purchase the L.A Dodgers. If he does that... He can give the ownership of the baseball team to one of his family members and then just lease Dodgers Stadium for the RAMS to play in L.A.

Goodell can't stop him & The Rams already have a fanbase (albiet a smaller one to the NATION)

But if Goodell wants to make a expansion teams, he better call up the guy willing to build Farmers Field. Otherwise I think we will see in the next few weeks/months movement on a team potentially moving to L.A.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 04, 2012, 03:18:01 AM
& plus the ownership group who wants to build the stadium in L.A now has a massive leverage in the bargaining stakes.

He could play hardball with any potential suitors with one of the current 32 NFL owners & just say that he already has a proposal from mystery/fake capitalist group to bid on one of these expansion teams.

I don't want the league to expand to 34 teams... How the hell do we figure out how many teams in a division??? 34 divided by any even number 4 thru 8 just doesn't compute.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on February 04, 2012, 06:40:52 AM
I don't want the league to expand to 34 teams... How the hell do we figure out how many teams in a division??? 34 divided by any even number 4 thru 8 just doesn't compute.


If they expand the league to 34 teams, they could have two divisions with 5 teams each and the rest would stay at 4 each. It's been done before.

Here are all the different division configurations that have been used in the past:


32 teams (2002-present)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/2002


31 teams (1999-2001)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/1999


28 teams (1977-1994)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/1977


28 teams (1976)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/1976


26 teams (1970-1975)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/1970
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 04, 2012, 06:45:27 AM
I don't want the league to expand to 34 teams... How the hell do we figure out how many teams in a division??? 34 divided by any even number 4 thru 8 just doesn't compute.

If they expand the league to 34 teams, they could have two divisions with 5 teams each and the rest would stay at 4 each. It's been done before.

That would effect the tiebreakers?

Do they go on a percentage for conference/division wins or total games? (obviously it would have to be percentage if each division had a different amount of in conference games)

Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on February 04, 2012, 07:22:00 AM
I don't want the league to expand to 34 teams... How the hell do we figure out how many teams in a division??? 34 divided by any even number 4 thru 8 just doesn't compute.

If they expand the league to 34 teams, they could have two divisions with 5 teams each and the rest would stay at 4 each. It's been done before.

That would effect the tiebreakers?

Do they go on a percentage for conference/division wins or total games? (obviously it would have to be percentage if each division had a different amount of in conference games)

I don't know how they handled the tiebreakers when they had those other configurations. I'm sure they'd figure something out. It sure is nice now though, with 4 teams in each division. The rotation system is perfect now.....having each team play each other team once away every 4 years and once home every 4 years. When they had less than 32 teams in the league, there was NO rotation really. Remember how some teams wouldn't play each other for years and other played pretty often. I'd hate to go back to that.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 04, 2012, 07:23:40 AM
Tidbit from everyone favorite mercury blogger TIM KAWAKAMI in regards to the Santa Clara Stadium

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/02/jed-york-on-the-49ers-200m-stadium-allocation-from-the-nfl-nothing-tangible-with-the-raiders-and-more/ (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/02/jed-york-on-the-49ers-200m-stadium-allocation-from-the-nfl-nothing-tangible-with-the-raiders-and-more/)

And York said he worked out with Mark Davis earlier today, and had lunch with him, but said that they didn’t really talk about anything except football.

Folks, now that the 49ers are locking up financing without Raiders involvement, the chances of the Raiders sharing a Santa Clara are almost nil.

The only way the 49ers were going to contemplating sharing a new stadium with the Raiders is if they couldn’t get the money any other way. They’re getting the money.

And I don’t think Mark Davis is very interested in sharing a stadium, anyway.
Title: Santa Clara Stadium info....construction.....how much seats will cost fans, etc.
Post by: Randy on February 04, 2012, 08:03:57 PM
Tidbit from everyone favorite mercury blogger TIM KAWAKAMI in regards to the Santa Clara Stadium

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/02/jed-york-on-the-49ers-200m-stadium-allocation-from-the-nfl-nothing-tangible-with-the-raiders-and-more/ (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/02/jed-york-on-the-49ers-200m-stadium-allocation-from-the-nfl-nothing-tangible-with-the-raiders-and-more/)

And York said he worked out with Mark Davis earlier today, and had lunch with him, but said that they didn’t really talk about anything except football.

Folks, now that the 49ers are locking up financing without Raiders involvement, the chances of the Raiders sharing a Santa Clara are almost nil.

The only way the 49ers were going to contemplating sharing a new stadium with the Raiders is if they couldn’t get the money any other way. They’re getting the money.

And I don’t think Mark Davis is very interested in sharing a stadium, anyway.


I still don't understand how a $200 Million loan (not gift) from the NFL makes this a slam dunk that the 49ers wouldn't want to share the stadium. If the money is just a loan, as I've read that it is, they'll have to pay it back...probably with interest. The stadium will cost a Billion dollars or more. So even with this loan, they still have to come up with a full Billion dollars or more eventually. How does this loan make it less likely that the 49ers would want to save a half billion dollars if they can?


Here's an article about the "loan":
http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_19878108?source=autofeed#



well, maybe it's NOT a loan (even they they refer to it as one)....read this
Here is an exerpt from the above article:

"...The 49ers owner, however, rejected characterizing the NFL's contribution as a straight loan, saying it amounted to "NFL support" for the project, composed of a "fairly intricate" combination that will go toward financing construction of the stadium

There had been speculation the NFL would press the 49ers and Oakland Raiders to share the Santa Clara stadium in order to secure the financing, but York said there is no link to the $200 million contribution. "We've been asked to keep the communications open," said York, adding that he worked out and had lunch with Raiders owner Mark Davis earlier Thursday in Indianapolis.

Amy Trask, the Raiders CEO, declined to comment because she's tied up with NFL business in Indianapolis, but she has said in the past the team is exploring all options for a new stadium, including the possibility of joining the 49ers."




Here's how much club seats in the new stadium will cost. The cost of the cheaper seats won't be released till this summer:

http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_19697974

http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_19853863?source=pkg
Title: Another stadium article, "Raiders likely to remain in Oakland"
Post by: Randy on February 05, 2012, 12:16:17 AM
Raiders likely to remain in Oakland
by Just Blog Baby

http://justblogbaby.com/2012/02/04/raiders-likely-to-remain-in-oakland/
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: raider kyle on February 05, 2012, 03:58:19 AM
I heard that the chance the raiders move to la has been shot down....YES!!!! I didn't think it was fair to move back to LA especially since the fan base is so good in oakland
Title: Two......and now none!
Post by: HELLRAIDER on February 05, 2012, 04:14:20 AM
2 Franchises were there once.........they left because nobody cared.................The Trojans are the team for LA......its a basketball and baseball town..............period............!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on February 05, 2012, 05:10:19 AM
Nothing has been shot down...options are still open, just because Goodell say something dont mean he can keep a team from moving...Mark Davis is in the drivers seat and he will do whatever it takes to get a stadium for the RAIDERS...personally I dont care where the Raiders make home, as a fan like all of you...I want them closer to me...but if they move to England...I will still be a RAIDER fan...cities dont mean shit...topics like this shows whos a real Raider and eliminates the fakers!...RAIDERNATION for Life homies!... 8)
Title: Re: Two......and now none!
Post by: raidersully on February 05, 2012, 05:29:31 PM
2 Franchises were there once.........they left because nobody cared.................The Trojans are the team for LA......its a basketball and baseball town..............period............!

This is not true. If the supposed Oakland 'faithful' were the 'real' fans than why did it take until this year before they finally sold out all their home games since their return to Oakland? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/31/raiders-complete-first-full-season-sellout-since-returning-to-oakland/
This includes 3 AFC West titles, 3 playoff appearances, and  Super Bowl year all while back in Oakland. And when you consider that the L.A. stadium hold a little more than 30,000 more people than the O.co perhaps you see why they weren't that many sold out games in L.A(Coliseum holds 93,607 O.co holds 63,026). But despite all of that. Even when the move back to Oakland was known to the fans in L.A. 64,130 fans showed up to watch their last game against the Chiefs. 1,104 more people than could fit into the O.co.

The reason Al left was not because of attendance. It was because what was promised to him(luxury boxes) was never done. Along with the damage caused by the Northridge earthquake the Los Angeles Sports Commission halted further planned renovations to the Coliseum. Oakland promised new renovations so Al went back.

The Rams left L.A. for Anaheim(which is not in L.A.) because they too were unhappy with the stadium and L.A.'s refusal to build another one better suited for football. She left Anaheim for St. Louis because St. Louis gave her the best deal for a new stadium.

Yet despite these teams leaving you still find lots of faithful fans. Everywhere I go you see Raider merchandise. Whether on cars or on people. If the Raiders have no love here than why are there at least 4 Raider Image locations in the SoCal area? Are there any in Texas? Or New York? How about Florida? Store only stay open because they can sell enough to do so. Money talks, and the money shows that SoCal has enough Raider fans to keep stores that sell merchandise exclusive to one team and one team only open. There are no Cowboy stores here and they are supposed to be 'America's Team'.

I don't mean to turn this into some pissing contest meant to test everyones fanhood. But to say that the 'true' fans are in Oakland is bullshit(as their lack of attendance even during great seasons proves). The 'true' fans are everywhere in the nation. Anyone who loves the Raiders, sports their Raider gear no matter the overall record, watches every game they can(live or otherwise), and takes the time out of their day to post on forums and read the daily news about the Raiders is TRUE RAIDER FAN!! I don't care where the Raiders play(though I do think they should stay in Oakland). I root for the Silver and Black. Not for the city of Oakland.

GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Two......and now none!
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 05, 2012, 07:39:14 PM
2 Franchises were there once.........they left because nobody cared.................The Trojans are the team for LA......its a basketball and baseball town..............period............!

This is not true. If the supposed Oakland 'faithful' were the 'real' fans than why did it take until this year before they finally sold out all their home games since their return to Oakland? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/31/raiders-complete-first-full-season-sellout-since-returning-to-oakland/
This includes 3 AFC West titles, 3 playoff appearances, and  Super Bowl year all while back in Oakland. And when you consider that the L.A. stadium hold a little more than 30,000 more people than the O.co perhaps you see why they weren't that many sold out games in L.A(Coliseum holds 93,607 O.co holds 63,026). But despite all of that. Even when the move back to Oakland was known to the fans in L.A. 64,130 fans showed up to watch their last game against the Chiefs. 1,104 more people than could fit into the O.co.

I don't mean to turn this into some pissing contest meant to test everyones fanhood. But to say that the 'true' fans are in Oakland is bullshit(as their lack of attendance even during great seasons proves). The 'true' fans are everywhere in the nation. Anyone who loves the Raiders, sports their Raider gear no matter the overall record, watches every game they can(live or otherwise), and takes the time out of their day to post on forums and read the daily news about the Raiders is TRUE RAIDER FAN!! I don't care where the Raiders play(though I do think they should stay in Oakland). I root for the Silver and Black. Not for the city of Oakland.

GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!

The Raiders also have been giving 2for1 ticket offers away this season & free tickets to season ticket holders.

 A sell out is a sell out, but I can't think of the Raiders having a straight sell out.(Maybe KC & DEN???)

The free ticket offer for season tix holder was for the Browns Game (how weak is that, Al Davis dies & raiders are struggling to fill the house to honour a legend so they give away tickets on the week leading up to the game)

the 2 for 1 offer was available on the Patriots & Jets games right at the start of the season. They extended it at some point for the rest of the games through the season. (I don't think Denver & KC homegames had the 2for1 ticket offer) but I do know the Bears, Lions & maybe even the Chargers had a 2 for 1 ticket offer.

I only bring this up because attendance figures will ultimately be whether Mark decides to keep the team in this region. I think the Oakland received a likelihood boost of Raiders staying in Oakland because the house was packed every game this year. But it'd be interesting to see if they could fill the house without the help of these very enticing promotions. (They wouldn't run these kind of promos in Green Bay or San Franciso)
Title: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on February 05, 2012, 09:18:54 PM
The thing is you guys speak of teams moving like its a normal thing! The last NFL team to move was the Houston Oilers who now are the Tennessee Titans...that was 1999 (16 years ago) uh last Century..... Teams don't just move... You think Denver would move and become the LA Broncos or how about KC become the LA Chiefs? Or how about Miami or I know GB would move their team huh? They'll call them the LA Cheeseheads!  Fucking listen to what your saying!  "I don't care about The city of Oakland"....well don't EVER come here again to see a game then....the City of Oakland doesn't like you!  ..LOL!.... I mean where's the "Loyalty" in fucking over your fan base TWICE!  You say LA would seat more cause of the size of their stadium...well that's an fair assessment?...and comparison given Oakland can only seat 63,000? ....that talk don't mean dick!.... If we had 92,000 seats and filled it the same you couldn't back up your argument!  The LA Raiders didn't sell out the last time they hosted a AFC Champ game Vs Seahawks! Look it up 88,000 that's 5,000 short of Raiders fans in LA chose NOT to see them 1 game away from the SB and we won! ....LA Didn't sell out a AFC Championship game last time we win a SB? ......Would NOT happen in Oakland with playoffs happening!....cause I went to BOTH AFC Champ games and I paid $350+ each game and it was soooo sold out! .... Being a fan of the team and not caring where they play is all good ....I get it! .....Me I'm all about loyalty and respect...and moving to LA is like spitting in the faces of the LOYAL fans who sold out games in the 2006 2-14 season (would not happen in LA) they move to LA they'll be "selling out" and become a cooperate tool like the heavy metal band Metallica that cut their hair and became pussies!......That will be the end of my era as a Die Hard Raider fan....I don't give a fuck if anyone says shit....cause I know what I've done as a fan and I feel good about it..they could go on and win 20 SB's and I won't feel a shred of excitement  or barely notice..Technology is great in alot of ways....it allowed us to be in touch with Raider fans across the world....but really if you lived it with me in real life last 32 years....you'd understand what I'm talking about....Either way.... IF the Raiders move to LA or NOT.... it's a win win for Me! .....Cause they stay I get my team to watch forever....IF they move.... I'll call them the "LA Traitors" and wash my hands clean of 32 years of stupidity for thinking they would win another SB for Oakland and relieve myself from NFL football forever and live a different lifestyle on Sundays... So I'll let Mark Davis decide my Raider fan Hood future!.... He sells out.... I'm done.... he stays.... I'm a happy camper and continue to wait for our SB victory and support this team that has been here since 1960 their REAL HOME...they spent a summer vacation of 13 years in LA of 52 years of existence and people act like they belong there in LA....they won 1 SB and had a few playoff runs...nothing screams history other than Marcus Allen and Bo's (other indiv.) accomplishments.

I think If Mark Davis moves to LA it's a sign that he's ALL about money.... NOT winning and will SELL OUT...if he truly cares about the team....he can do the same thing they can do in LA..... build a stadium HERE or share one with the Niners.....that truly would mean he wants to win and keep the team close to Al!  We'll see what happens...may not know for 2 more years so no use in beating each other up over it....until a stadium is built and complete... NO team will move to LA!...those are cold hard facts!


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Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: raidersully on February 05, 2012, 10:31:50 PM
True. Teams don’t just move. But that is one of the things that could happen to fill the stadium that will be built in L.A. This is why I think the Rams and the Chargers make the most sense to move to L.A. Both teams have connection to the city and have fans in the area. Add to that that the Chargless will for sure sell out one game a year when they play the Raiders. The same way the Raider fans take over San Diego. Teams don’t move often. But they do move, and when enticed by a new stadium, it makes the move that much easier.

My loyalty is to the colors and the name Raiders. The rest is of no importance to me. But as I stated, I do think they should stay in Oakland. That is where they are from and have history there. Same reason I don’t want to see the Vikings move to L.A. And why the Rams and Chargless make the most sense.

"You say LA would seat more cause of the size of their stadium...well that's an fair assessment?"

You obviously misunderstood or misread what I posted. I said that the orginal stadium that the Raiders played in L.A. was the Coliseum which holds 93,607. I have no clue the capacity of the new proposed stadium.

“If we had 92,000 seats and filled it the same you couldn't back up your argument! “

And if frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their ass when they jumped. But I’m not dealing with if. I am dealing with facts. And the facts are that the current stadium that the Raiders play in holds 30,000 less people then the one they played in while in L.A. and yet they have just had their first sold out season since coming back.

As for the playoff games not selling out in L.A. I never said L.A. fans were better than Oakland fans. I was answering Hellraiders assessment that fans didn’t care in L.A. But even with 88,000 people in the stands it’s still 24,904 more people than could fit in the O. And even though you guys could sell out your playoff games you could not sellout the season games.

You may have sold out games in 2006, but not all of them. Despite the record the fans did not turn out all year. And cutting their hair had nothing to do with Metallica’s sellout. Hair length has nothing to do with making good music. Metallica sold out because they decided to follow the trends instead of setting them.

“Me I'm all about loyalty and respect...”

Really? All about loyalty. Unless the team moves to L.A. and then you are willing to wash your hands of them after 32 years of being a fan. Yeah, that sounds like loyalty. Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.

Again. I am not saying which fan base is batter than others. But don’t give me that ‘L.A. fans don’t care’ shit. Many of us care and have stayed with the team before they came to L.A. and after they left. There is a reason the fan base is called the Raider Nation and not the Oakland Nation.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on February 06, 2012, 03:55:22 AM
Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.

You couldn't help yourself to attack my loyalty to the Raiders... I've done same exact thing you and other GREAT So-Cal Raider fans have....I waited for 13 years for them to return....plus I wasn't screaming for them to come back and I wasn't talking shit to my friends that live down there.... I was happy they came home.... But after putting 17 more years of dedication I earned the right to call this team my own as much as any fan...I never will say that I'm best Raider fan in the world or most loyal cause there's no way to measure that in reality cause I'm not you and your not me thankfully...So we can both love this team equal and never truly be able to measure that....So having said that I don't care if you think that YOUR more loyal cause they left...I went thru it too!  Al Davis said on the record that going there was a mistake! ..... He was losing his mystic by the hour after they made that terrible music video...lol.... Moving to Oakland was the best thing for the franchise in my opinion ...moving back down there would just be the final straw for me...but that's me...but hey the fact is the Raiders are in Oakland and until that changes this is a wasted argument but entertaining
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Greg on February 06, 2012, 06:24:42 AM
Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.

You couldn't help yourself to attack my loyalty to the Raiders... I've done same exact thing you and other GREAT So-Cal Raider fans have....I waited for 13 years for them to return....plus I wasn't screaming for them to come back and I wasn't talking shit to my friends that live down there.... I was happy they came home.... But after putting 17 more years of dedication I earned the right to call this team my own as much as any fan...I never will say that I'm best Raider fan in the world or most loyal cause there's no way to measure that in reality cause I'm not you and your not me thankfully...So we can both love this team equal and never truly be able to measure that....So having said that I don't care if you think that YOUR more loyal cause they left...I went thru it too!  Al Davis said on the record that going there was a mistake! ..... He was losing his mystic by the hour after they made that terrible music video...lol.... Moving to Oakland was the best thing for the franchise in my opinion ...moving back down there would just be the final straw for me...but that's me...but hey the fact is the Raiders are in Oakland and until that changes this is a wasted argument but entertaining
HOW MANY FREEKIN TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!!!! "THERE IS ONE NATION" MADE UP OF MANY TYPES OF PEOPLE.....FROM EVERY PLACE ON EARTH...... NO ONE......AND I MEAN NO ONE IS A BETTER FAN.......ALL OF US HERE ARE JUST LIKE THAT.....SOME GO TO EVERY GAME....OTHERS WILL NEVER SEE THE COLISEUM..... STILL ALL ARE RAIDER NATION......LET'S KNOCK THIS CRAP OFF AND WORRY ABOUT THE NEW SPECIAL TEAMS COACH WE GOT FROM KC.......SUCKS HUGE IN MY EYES...... CHIEFS SPECIAL TEAMS BLEW WITH HIM AT THE HELM.......I AM BECOMING SERIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR NEW COACH AND GM...... THE OC WAS TOUGH BUT NOW THIS MORON..... DON'T WANT TO BE TOO NEGATIVE BUT...... NO ONE BETTER? WHY LET FASSEL GO? HE ROCKED......THIS TEAM BETTER IMPROVE DESPITE THE LOSER COACHES.......I'M PISSED AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO......
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: NCRaider on March 07, 2012, 08:09:30 PM
I know it's a long road ahead but I read that during last nights city council meeting a "Yes" verdict was reached in continuing to explore the "Oakland Coliseum City" project. Good news for the bay area...for now....
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on March 07, 2012, 10:32:04 PM
I know it's a long road ahead but I read that during last nights city council meeting a "Yes" verdict was reached in continuing to explore the "Oakland Coliseum City" project. Good news for the bay area...for now....

It's a farce bro.. it's Oakland City Council trying to save face at the 11th hour to try & keep their sports teams in Oakland.

Athletics owner Lew Wolff has been adamant that it's San Jose or he will probably sell the team. (meaning new owners would probably relocate because Oakland  as of late hasn't supported baseball like all other U.S cities = fairweathered fanbase)

Warriors brass have already had discussions with owners of AT&T ballpark about building a new arena by the San Francisco shoreline.

The only team that will most likely stay in Oakland is the Raiders (But they will be the 1st team to leave if they get no commitment on a new stadium)

This Coliseum City is a multiple billion dollar project which Mayor Quan has stated would be funded by private investment & as Oakland is such a vibrant picturesque area of America then I am sure the corporate dollars will just roll in to get this project up & running.

Oakland Council would be best focused on building a football purpose built stadium to keep the raiders. Leave the Oracle as is & hope that they can convince the Warriors to stay on with a more friendly lease & cut their losses with the Athletics.. Because long term the baseball team is leaving (I just cant see the Athletics staying in Oakland considering the owner Lew Woolf has said publically that the Oakland council has left it too late with offers of a new stadium)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Greg on March 08, 2012, 05:05:16 AM
I know it's a long road ahead but I read that during last nights city council meeting a "Yes" verdict was reached in continuing to explore the "Oakland Coliseum City" project. Good news for the bay area...for now....

It's a farce bro.. it's Oakland City Council trying to save face at the 11th hour to try & keep their sports teams in Oakland.

Athletics owner Lew Wolff has been adamant that it's San Jose or he will probably sell the team. (meaning new owners would probably relocate because Oakland  as of late hasn't supported baseball like all other U.S cities = fairweathered fanbase)

Warriors brass have already had discussions with owners of AT&T ballpark about building a new arena by the San Francisco shoreline.

The only team that will most likely stay in Oakland is the Raiders (But they will be the 1st team to leave if they get no commitment on a new stadium)

This Coliseum City is a multiple billion dollar project which Mayor Quan has stated would be funded by private investment & as Oakland is such a vibrant picturesque area of America then I am sure the corporate dollars will just roll in to get this project up & running.

Oakland Council would be best focused on building a football purpose built stadium to keep the raiders. Leave the Oracle as is & hope that they can convince the Warriors to stay on with a more friendly lease & cut their losses with the Athletics.. Because long term the baseball team is leaving (I just cant see the Athletics staying in Oakland considering the owner Lew Woolf has said publically that the Oakland council has left it too late with offers of a new stadium)
I have to agree here....... Day late and many dollars short..... Oakland is losing every pro team and they deserve to because of there lack of action...... If the Raiders leave it will not be because they didn't give Oakland a chance... The Oakland city government has been so bad for so long that its not funny.... Like I have said before.... The Raiders will leave Oakland for LA or perhaps someplace else but they will not stay in a city that will not work with them..... The Old "OFMA" was the first joke and its been down hill from there..... What a JOKE.....Now a broke city will waste 3.5 million on NOTHING! So very sad for the fans in the Bay area.....
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: houston raider on March 08, 2012, 12:20:32 PM
You don't want to lose an NFL franchise. Here in Houston we lost the Oilers....SAD days for 10 years!!! We were LUCKY to get an NFL franchise, the Texans. It cost Texans owner Bob McNair $900 MILLION for the expansion fee. In order to try and keep the Oilers, the Houston taxpayers had 10,000 new seats put in the Astrodome, once billed as the 8th wonder of the world, now it's a EYESORE (plus it has asbestos!!)....imagine that. Bud Adams also took out the animated scoreboard everyone loved (when they put in the 10,00 new seats). The Houston taxpayers are probably still Paying for those seats being put in!!
   
People thought, "why did you just let the Oilers leave?" Houston was thought of as a Second rate city (sports wise). WE took hits in the national media. Then Jerry Jones said all the OIler fans can NOW be Cowboy fans...we said NO WAY!!! Half of Houston are Cowboy fans anyway-they were WINNERS!!!

At least the Oakland city council PASSSED the two resolutions...they are Forward thinking-once again the shining city on the bay/sea...out of San Francisco shadows....the stick is a DUMP...as Greg says, the flying saucer-lol
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on March 30, 2012, 06:25:38 AM
The Raiders will leave Oakland for LA .....

Oh Ok you called this one...... Raider Nightmare where are you?  I thought you said you seen bulldozers or some shit!  LOL

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_downtown_los_angeles_nfl_stadium_goodell_aeg_032912

 GREATEST NEWS OF 2012 hahahaha  YES!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on March 30, 2012, 08:21:31 PM
The Raiders will leave Oakland for LA .....

Oh Ok you called this one...... Raider Nightmare where are you?  I thought you said you seen bulldozers or some shit!  LOL

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_downtown_los_angeles_nfl_stadium_goodell_aeg_032912

 GREATEST NEWS OF 2012 hahahaha  YES!

Haha the bulldozers RaiderNitemare is referring too is the City of Industry site & not the L.A Live site.

I'm guessing the bulldozers are clearing land for well... INDUSTRY :P
(That City of Industry location hasn't had many updates as of late)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on April 15, 2012, 06:24:19 PM
"Raiders owner and Clippers fan Mark Davis was sitting courtside at saturday's L.A. Clippers game against the Warriors with Ed Roski, who is trying to get a team in Los Angeles."....I thought Mark Davis was a Warriors fan not an L.A. fan?...maybe he's doing some PR work...lol :) :)

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2012/04/14/mark-davis-takes-in-a-game-with-l-a-s-ed-roski/

Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on April 16, 2012, 01:21:29 AM
"Raiders owner and Clippers fan Mark Davis was sitting courtside at saturday's L.A. Clippers game against the Warriors with Ed Roski, who is trying to get a team in Los Angeles."....I thought Mark Davis was a Warriors fan not an L.A. fan?...maybe he's doing some PR work...lol :) :)

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2012/04/14/mark-davis-takes-in-a-game-with-l-a-s-ed-roski/

I know, what's the deal? You have your own basketball team right in the same sports complex that your team is in, and you're a fan of one of their rivals?
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on April 16, 2012, 06:52:46 AM
"Raiders owner and Clippers fan Mark Davis was sitting courtside at saturday's L.A. Clippers game against the Warriors with Ed Roski, who is trying to get a team in Los Angeles."....I thought Mark Davis was a Warriors fan not an L.A. fan?...maybe he's doing some PR work...lol :) :)

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2012/04/14/mark-davis-takes-in-a-game-with-l-a-s-ed-roski/

I know, what's the deal? You have your own basketball team right in the same sports complex that your team is in, and you're a fan of one of their rivals?

Regardless of where the team is.

I gotta give a lot of props for Mark being a CLIPPERS fan. (it's so easy when you can just jump on the LAKERS bandwagon) but it takes a real fan to support a team like the CLIPPERS (kind of like the warriors, fans have been in the pits for the last 20 years & they have no trouble selling out the Oracle)

Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Tokai Raider on April 16, 2012, 10:52:40 AM
"Raiders owner and Clippers fan Mark Davis was sitting courtside at saturday's L.A. Clippers game against the Warriors with Ed Roski, who is trying to get a team in Los Angeles."....I thought Mark Davis was a Warriors fan not an L.A. fan?...maybe he's doing some PR work...lol :) :)

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2012/04/14/mark-davis-takes-in-a-game-with-l-a-s-ed-roski/

I know, what's the deal? You have your own basketball team right in the same sports complex that your team is in, and you're a fan of one of their rivals?

Regardless of where the team is.

I gotta give a lot of props for Mark being a CLIPPERS fan. (it's so easy when you can just jump on the LAKERS bandwagon) but it takes a real fan to support a team like the CLIPPERS (kind of like the warriors, fans have been in the pits for the last 20 years & they have no trouble selling out the Oracle)

i dunno ... either a "real fan" or a real idiot. the clippers haven't done shit since bob mcadoo. and that was when they played in buffalo. it seems mark davis's taste in basketball teams is as good as his taste in hairstyles. you'd think he'd like the bullets. (give that one a sec ... come on ... bullets ...)
Title: Selection committee recommends AEG to operate Oakland Coliseum complex
Post by: Randy on April 17, 2012, 05:08:49 PM
Selection committee recommends AEG to operate Oakland Coliseum complex

SMG, the sports and entertainment giant that has operated the Oakland Coliseum for 13 years, stands to lose its contract to the Anschutz Entertainment Group.

The choice shocked SMG General Manager Ron Little. "But we expected a full-blown attack from AEG," Little said, "and we got it."

Complete article:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_20411070/selection-committee-recommends-aeg-operate-oakland-coliseum-complex
Title: Raiders fans should be concerned about Minnesota Vikings stadium deal
Post by: Randy on May 11, 2012, 01:59:31 AM
Raiders fans should be concerned about Minnesota Vikings stadium deal
http://www.insidebayarea.com/mark-purdy/ci_20597440/mark-purdy-oakland-raiders-fans-should-be-concerned
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on May 25, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
What is that Mayor Quan smoking...they own the land and ready to build she says, why have they not done so and pushed forward on it I know theres alot of dollars & cents behind it and the NFL, but C'mon woman your slack off and risk losing all three pro teams there...its sounds like in this interview that shes comfortable jus being a woman Mayor of Oakland and not trying to build for the future...in Oakland, where its teams is what identifies her city...especially when it comes to the RAIDERS...they should of build a new stadium already while Al Davis was alive...bunch of political buffoonery!!!! :o....
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Greg on May 26, 2012, 03:26:47 AM
What is that Mayor Quan smoking...they own the land and ready to build she says, why have they not done so and pushed forward on it I know theres alot of dollars & cents behind it and the NFL, but C'mon woman your slack off and risk losing all three pro teams there...its sounds like in this interview that shes comfortable jus being a woman Mayor of Oakland and not trying to build for the future...in Oakland, where its teams is what identifies her city...especially when it comes to the RAIDERS...they should of build a new stadium already while Al Davis was alive...bunch of political buffoonery!!!! :o....
YEP.............SHE TALKS LIKE THEY DONT NEED ANY OF THE TEAMS TO STAY...THEY WILL JUST BUILD A SPORTS COMPLEX.............WITHOUT SPORTS?  JUST LIKE ANY MAYOR OF OAKLAND.... ALL TALK AND NO ACTION..... WE WILL SEE BUT IF THERE IS NOT ANY NEWS OF THIS PROJECT BEING MOVED FORWARD BY THE END OF THIS SUMMER..... YOU CAN BET THE TEAMS WILL HAVE A PLAN TO HIT THE FREEKIN ROAD...... BUFFOONERY FO-SHO.........
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on May 26, 2012, 07:41:09 AM
If the Raiders move or not it's a win win for ME!  Cause if they stay I can see my team till I'm old and crapping in my diapers....  Or if they Move... I will be free of this Raider addiction and cleanse myself of the 29 years of filth on my soul since our last SB win!  I would say good riddance with a smile and play pebble beach golf course once a year for the rest of my life! .... So I could fucking care less if they stay or go... I am so sick of hearing this shit since they moved back in 1995... If it was so possible to move to L.A. you'd think they'd been gone after the 2006 (2-14) season or all the other NON-Sellout seasons!... Or when Al Davis Re-newed our lease 3 years ago...That was a opportunity to leave and didn't..... MArk Davis would have to sell the team to move to L.A. to share rights with the City of L.A Financiers .....    So I seriously doubt He'll do that and move!....  If they do I will be truly FREE of all my addictions  ;D
Title: Sports economics hinder Oakland
Post by: Randy on May 28, 2012, 05:40:28 PM
Sports economics hinder Oakland
Matthew Artz, Oakland Tribune

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_20720510/sports-economics-hinder-oakland?source=most_viewed


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Title: Seat/ticket prices for new 49ers stadium
Post by: Randy on June 10, 2012, 05:42:47 PM
Seat/ticket prices for new 49ers stadium

http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_20815154/san-francisco-49ers-tickets-at-santa-clara-stadium-double-candlestick-price
Title: Re: Seat/ticket prices for new 49ers stadium
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on June 10, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
Seat/ticket prices for new 49ers stadium

http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_20815154/san-francisco-49ers-tickets-at-santa-clara-stadium-double-candlestick-price
LMAO...bunch of whiners...straight up hosing of the fans...they're better off just buying single game tickets...fuck all that reserve seating shit :o...so it looks like they're going forward with this new stadium in Santa Clara without the Raiders 8)...where does that leave the Raiders?? ;)...
Title: Re: Seat/ticket prices for new 49ers stadium
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on June 11, 2012, 11:06:24 PM
Seat/ticket prices for new 49ers stadium

http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_20815154/san-francisco-49ers-tickets-at-santa-clara-stadium-double-candlestick-price

another reason why the fans shouldnt be all getting anxious about a new stadium.

Raiders at the O.co means cheap tickets. A 2nd stadium in the bay area means raider tickets will go thru the roof.

Cant they just rennovate the current Coliseum? New coat of silver paint (when the A's leave) a new jumbotron. Dont burden the fansrden the fans with a flashy new stadium when we are just as happy with the black hole (IMO)
Title: Re: Seat/ticket prices for new 49ers stadium
Post by: Randy on June 12, 2012, 03:34:38 AM
Seat/ticket prices for new 49ers stadium

http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_20815154/san-francisco-49ers-tickets-at-santa-clara-stadium-double-candlestick-price

another reason why the fans shouldnt be all getting anxious about a new stadium.

Raiders at the O.co means cheap tickets. A 2nd stadium in the bay area means raider tickets will go thru the roof.

Cant they just rennovate the current Coliseum? New coat of silver paint (when the A's leave) a new jumbotron. Dont burden the fansrden the fans with a flashy new stadium when we are just as happy with the black hole (IMO)
I paid more than the 49ers fans are moaning about for my Raiders PSLs 15 years ago.....for a renovated multi-purpose stadium. But then again....my seats are in the club section (not to be mistaken for a "luxury box"....my seats are out in the open). Those 49ers club prices are CRAZY! But my club seats were more expensive (and still are) than the most expensive non-club seats in that new 49ers stadium.

I guess I should look at the benefits of being "in the club". It gives me the privilege of going into the club bar and paying $13 for a drink.  :o  That's gotta be worth paying double for your seat.  :-\  Problem is, if you want to sit in the 2nd deck, near mid-field, club seats is the only way you can sit there....whether you want to go into the club bar or not. If the Raiders do build a new stadium, and I end up getting seats in it....I'm afraid it's going to be "bye-bye club....hello end zone (or nose-bleed upper level).
Title: O.co Coliseum authority holds out for tighter anti-poaching promise
Post by: Randy on June 16, 2012, 03:48:05 AM
O.co Coliseum authority holds out for tighter anti-poaching promise
Angela Woodall, Oakland Tribune

http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_20868262/o-co-coliseum-authority-holds-out-tighter-anti
Title: Playing the 49ers stock market: Seat values can rise, fall sharply
Post by: Randy on June 17, 2012, 12:46:12 AM
Playing the 49ers stock market: Seat values can rise, fall sharply
Mike Rosenberg, Mercury News

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_20873773/playing-49ers-stock-market-seat-values-can-rise
Title: AEG confirmed as operator of O.co Coliseum
Post by: Randy on June 19, 2012, 02:26:02 AM
AEG confirmed as operator of O.co Coliseum
Angela Woodall, Contra Costa Times

http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_20885077/aeg-confirmed-operator-o-co-coliseum
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on June 19, 2012, 04:13:05 AM
So AEG are already doing business with the Raiders...lots of possibilites could happen out of this relationship...very interesting :o
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on June 19, 2012, 05:05:14 AM
So AEG are already doing business with the Raiders...lots of possibilites could happen out of this relationship...very interesting :o

My understanding is AEG is doing business with the Oakland City Council & 1 of the conditions of being awarded the contract is AEG cant talk to Raiders front office about moving to L.A.


Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on June 19, 2012, 06:20:37 AM
I think they can Raiderwildstyle..."The contract approved Monday by a 7-1 vote includes provisions that would severely limit AEG from wooing any team to a city within 50 miles of Oakland. But there is nothing to keep the company from luring the Warriors, Raiders or A's to a city outside that boundary."....but besides that, theres a good chance that AEG can help build a new stadium at the present location... 8)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on June 19, 2012, 06:21:43 AM
So AEG are already doing business with the Raiders...lots of possibilites could happen out of this relationship...very interesting :o

My understanding is AEG is doing business with the Oakland City Council & 1 of the conditions of being awarded the contract is AEG cant talk to Raiders front office about moving to L.A.

The article says, "The contract approved Monday by a 7-1 vote includes provisions that would severely limit AEG from wooing any team to a city within 50 miles of Oakland. But there is nothing to keep the company from luring the Warriors, Raiders or A's to a city outside that boundary..."
Title: Oakland tries to retain A's, Warriors, Raiders
Post by: Randy on July 07, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
Oakland tries to retain A's, Warriors, Raiders
Vittorio Tafur, SF Chronicle

Vittorio Tafur of the San Francisco Chronicle had a meeting with Oakland Mayor Jean Quan in her office this week on the status of "Coliseum City" plans.

http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/tafur/article/Oakland-tries-to-retain-A-s-Warriors-Raiders-3683181.php
Title: Steelers' owner thinks NFL will have one or two teams in L.A. within 5 years
Post by: Randy on August 21, 2012, 06:05:28 AM
Steelers' owner thinks NFL will have one or two teams in L.A. within 5 years. Raiders a candidate.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/20/rooney-thinks-nfl-will-be-back-in-l-a-within-five-years
Title: NFL's L.A. plans being derailed?
Post by: Randy on September 19, 2012, 06:12:02 AM
Anschutz’s interest in selling AEG could derail NFL’s L.A. plans
Mike Florio, ProFootballTalk.com

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/anschutzs-interest-in-selling-aeg-could-derail-nfls-l-a-plans/
Title: AEG buyer will likely inherit L.A. stadium effort
Post by: Randy on September 20, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
AEG buyer will likely inherit L.A. stadium effort
Mike Florio, ProFootballTalk.com

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/aeg-buyer-will-likely-inherit-l-a-stadium-effort/
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on September 21, 2012, 05:02:24 AM
And of course theres the other location in Industry which would be a much better venue for a pro football team who ever it may be...so AEG runs the operations at the O.com is that part of the  sale too it doesnt say???...
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: houston raider on September 27, 2012, 10:16:54 AM
 When i was flying in for the Steelers game(from Las vegas) two men were sitting in my area....Both work for the aramark concession company...they worked in the suites for the VIPS that would be attending the game.I mentioned this to Greg and his impression is that the raiders will be moving to Los Angeles once their lease expires at the O coliseum.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on September 27, 2012, 05:12:40 PM
When i was flying in for the Steelers game(from Las vegas) two men were sitting in my area....Both work for the aramark concession company...they worked in the suites for the VIPS that would be attending the game.I mentioned this to Greg and his impression is that the raiders will be moving to Los Angeles once their lease expires at the O coliseum.

What do the concession people (Aramark) have to do with moving to LA? I don't understand the connection. Aramark has been the company that provides the food and service to the luxury boxes for a long time. Probably ever since the Raiders moved back to Oakland in '95. I know they had that concession at least by 2005 or so...because I was invited into a luxury box back then and I remember that name on the worker's uniforms. Does Aramark have a connection to the new stadium plans for LA?

AEG (Anschutz Entertainment Group) is the company that was supposed to be heading up the LA stadium proposal. Did you have them mixed up with Aramark Food Services? AEG announced they are being sold by the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschutz_Entertainment_Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers_Field

http://www.coliseum.com/info/concessions.php
http://www.aramark.com/Industries/SportsandEntertainment/


The LA city council voted just this past Monday to approve the Farmers Field stadium deal:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/8421710/los-angeles-council-committee-approves-deal-build-farmers-field
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Greg on September 27, 2012, 06:56:48 PM
When i was flying in for the Steelers game(from Las vegas) two men were sitting in my area....Both work for the aramark concession company...they worked in the suites for the VIPS that would be attending the game.I mentioned this to Greg and his impression is that the raiders will be moving to Los Angeles once their lease expires at the O coliseum.

What do the concession people (Aramark) have to do with moving to LA? I don't understand the connection. Aramark has been the company that provides the food and service to the luxury boxes for a long time. Probably ever since the Raiders moved back to Oakland in '95. I know they had that concession at least by 2005 or so...because I was invited into a luxury box back then and I remember that name on the worker's uniforms. Does Aramark have a connection to the new stadium plans for LA?

AEG (Anschutz Entertainment Group) is the company that was supposed to be heading up the LA stadium proposal. Did you have them mixed up with Aramark Food Services? AEG announced they are being sold by the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschutz_Entertainment_Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers_Field

http://www.coliseum.com/info/concessions.php
http://www.aramark.com/Industries/SportsandEntertainment/


The LA city council voted just this past Monday to approve the Farmers Field stadium deal:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/8421710/los-angeles-council-committee-approves-deal-build-farmers-field


I NEVER SAID IT "WAS THE REASON" THE RAIDERS MIGHT MOVE BACK TO LA.... I SAID IT WAS JUST ANOTHER PIECE IN THE LONG LINE OF PIECES THAT LEAD "ME" TO BELIEVE THIS MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 3-4 YEARS OR SOONER... THE INSTANT FAN BASE... THE NEW STADIUM THAT MARK WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR... I'M SURE THERE WILL BE INCENTIVE MONEY INVOLVED.... LOOK IT JUST LOOKS AND SMELLS LIKE THIS MIGHT HAPPEN.... THEY DID IT ONCE... I'M JUST SAYIN'!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: houston raider on September 28, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
 I apologize to greg and randy....i think i have aramark confused with aeg....
     I will say one thing though....unless you are staying at a hotel like the airport hilton and paying 160 plus per night you are probably staying in a motel near the Coliseum which is near the "fringes" of the "HOOD".One dude held up the people working the local fast food drive thru,i have heard of mugings,people shot and some killed,street people begging for change/panhandlers,dudes looking in trash cans,car vandalism/theft,prostitution,drug deals...this was told to me by a lady who worked the front desk of the motel i was staying at.All types of crimes occur in the areas around the Coliseum.That plus a sizeable amount of homeless people living under the hegenberger bridge next to the coliseum-esp at night.I learned from experience that if you are staying in one of these motels NOT to go out at night-get your food/drinks during the daytime....
     If you were a investor why would you want to invest in a stadium project in this area?The risks/insurance would be too great-imho....
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on September 28, 2012, 04:25:10 AM
Oh yeah....its gonna happen under Mark Davis's watch...its a business...how can you not be in the L.A. market with a bunch of Raiders fans from L.A. to Indio to Riverside, and even San Diego!...and lets not forget the Raiders Arizona fan base...its jus a matter of time... 8)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues - 7 Game season ticket packages
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on September 28, 2012, 06:14:47 AM
Oh yeah....its gonna happen under Mark Davis's watch...its a business...how can you not be in the L.A. market with a bunch of Raiders fans from L.A. to Indio to Riverside, and even San Diego!...and lets not forget the Raiders Arizona fan base...its jus a matter of time... 8)

Whether its L.A or Oakland. I'd love to see the raiders sell 7 game season packages for the town they are based in & then 1 game a year they play in the alternative city (Santa Clara stadium or Farmers Field)

If the Bills can play a game in Toronto once a year. Why not the raiders in SoCal?
Title: Re: Stadium Issues - 7 Game season ticket packages
Post by: Randy on September 28, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
Oh yeah....its gonna happen under Mark Davis's watch...its a business...how can you not be in the L.A. market with a bunch of Raiders fans from L.A. to Indio to Riverside, and even San Diego!...and lets not forget the Raiders Arizona fan base...its jus a matter of time... 8)

Whether its L.A or Oakland. I'd love to see the raiders sell 7 game season packages for the town they are based in & then 1 game a year they play in the alternative city (Santa Clara stadium or Farmers Field)

If the Bills can play a game in Toronto once a year. Why not the raiders in SoCal?

A full season ticket is 10 games. Can't get it without the two preseason games. They do have a "half-season package" though, which is 5 games. Best of all, they are all regular season games. Plus you get "priority access" to single game tickets, so someone could always get a couple more games if they wanted. But then you'd be on your own for the away games. But that's the way it is for all the teams.

http://www.raiders.com/tickets/ticket-packages.html


I had no idea the Bills have been playing one game a year in Toronto since 2008. Sounds interesting. I know where Crusader Raider would like the Raiders to play one of their "home" games.   ;)
Title: No NFL team in Los Angeles for 2013
Post by: Randy on January 18, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
No NFL team in Los Angeles for 2013
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/8850327/no-teams-file-los-angeles-move-2013-sources



previous articles on the Raiders stadium situation and the L.A. stadium issue

http://www.sgvtribune.com/breakingnews/ci_22290042/nfl-teams-interested-moving-los-angeles-face-february

http://la.curbed.com/tags/nfl-stadium

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/11/pasadena_paves_the_way_to_bring_the_nfl_to_the_rose_bowl.php

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Lawsuit-Filed-to-Stop-Pasadena-Rose-Bowl-From-Temporarily-Hosting-NFL-185765732.html

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/6/29/3127129/goodell-delivers-bad-news-to-oakland-raiders-about-los-angeles-stadium

http://kaplanforoakland.org/2011/12/coliseum-city-unveiled/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000081194/article/oakland-raiders-have-no-plans-to-share-stadium-with-49ers

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1452612-the-future-of-the-raiders-is-tied-to-getting-a-new-stadium

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-20/oakland-pays-17-million-for-nfl-raiders-as-cops-get-cut.html

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/goodell-pushes-for-new-raiders-stadium/

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8722124/roger-goodell-says-nfl-help-fund-oakland-stadium-raiders

http://nflinlosangeles.wordpress.com/
Title: Coliseum Authority Approves $1 Million today for "Coliseum City" studies
Post by: Randy on January 26, 2013, 05:06:00 AM
Coliseum Authority Approves $1 Million in Stadium Studies Despite Tenuous Support From Raiders

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2013/01/25/coliseum-authority-approves-1-million-stadium-studies-with-tenuous-support-from-raiders
Title: Plans for new Oakland Raiders football stadium and entertainment district
Post by: Randy on January 26, 2013, 03:39:08 PM
Coliseum Authority to study plans for new Oakland Raiders football stadium and entertainment district
Oakland Tribune

http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22453012/coliseum-authority-study-plans-new-oakland-raiders-football

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Title: Re: Stadium Issues (The Tarps)
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 06, 2013, 08:42:22 PM
Anyone feel like weighing in on the tarps going up on Mt Davis?

Not a good look for the raiders quest to build a new stadium when they have to downsize their attendance levels. I guess they want their product on tv and were sick and tired of offering these 2 for 1 packages.


Title: Re: Stadium Issues (The Tarps)
Post by: Randy on February 07, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
Anyone feel like weighing in on the tarps going up on Mt Davis?

Not a good look for the raiders quest to build a new stadium when they have to downsize their attendance levels. I guess they want their product on tv and were sick and tired of offering these 2 for 1 packages.

Yeah, they must REALLY want to have sellouts, because Greg said his season ticket price has been cut way down....even though he's an established season ticket holder. According to Greg, they reduced the price of all 3rd deck seats to $25. Greg was paying $89 two years ago, and last year they reduced it to about $75.....and now $25?

Naturally my club seats are staying firm at $151 each.....as always!


Oh....wait a minute! I just checked and my seats have been reduced too! From $151 a seat down to $150!
WHOOOPIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

http://www.raiders.com/tickets/seating-price-map.html

(I'm in section 216, Greg's in 317)
We have pretty much the same sight line, and I have to pay 6 times as much!?
Title: Oakland Raiders to reduce capacity of stadium (from 63,132 to 53,200)
Post by: Randy on February 07, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
Oakland Raiders to reduce capacity of stadium
Jerry McDonald, BayAreaNewsGroup

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22534155/oakland-raiders-reduce-capacity-stadium



Raiders to block off top of Mt. Davis
Paul Gutierrez, Comcast SportsNet

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/paul-gutierrez/raiders-block-top-mt-davis



Raiders will tarp top of Mount Davis
Vic Tafur, SF Chronicle

http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-will-tarp-top-of-Mount-Davis-4258267.php



Tarps won't change dire stadium situation in Oakland
Ray Ratto, Comcast SportsNet

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/ray-ratto/tarps-wont-change-dire-stadium-situation-oakland

Title: Amy Trask: "We want to stay" (In Oakland)
Post by: Randy on February 07, 2013, 04:45:06 PM
Amy Trask: 'We want to stay'
Paul Gutierrez, Comcast SportsNet

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/paul-gutierrez/trask-we-want-stay
Title: Re: Stadium Issues (The Tarps)
Post by: Randy on February 08, 2013, 10:28:36 PM
Anyone feel like weighing in on the tarps going up on Mt Davis?

Not a good look for the raiders quest to build a new stadium when they have to downsize their attendance levels. I guess they want their product on tv and were sick and tired of offering these 2 for 1 packages.

I think tarping off the seats is a good move. That Mt. Davis section was a monstrosity from the moment they added it in '95. They've rarely been able to fill it. Originally the cheapest seats up there were $59 I believe, and people didn't want to pay that much to sit way up there where you were so removed from the action. They tried lowering the prices up there to $25, and that helped. It got us a completely sold out season in 2011, but they needed extra perks to do it, like 2 for 1 specials, half-season ticket packages, quarter season ticket packages, etc.

Then last year when the NFL changed the blackout rules, the Raiders opted for the 85% option. This allowed them to call it a sellout whenever they filled 85% of the seats. This got them TV coverage for all but one game last year, but that came with a cost. When teams utilize the 85% rule, they must give the visiting team a higher share of the pie.

NFL teams currently pay the visiting team 34 cents on the dollar for every ticket sold to each home game. So, for example, when the Raiders set their minimum at 85% in 2012, and they sold 100% of their tickets, they had to pay the visiting team 50 cents on the dollar (instead of 34 cents) for the additional 15% sold.

It is not allowable to use the 85% option on some games and 100% on others. If you choose 85% it must be for every game of the year.

So for the 2013 season, the Raiders will NOT use the 85% option, they will go with 100%. If they fill up all of the 53,200 seats (the new capacity with the tarps up), they will pay the visiting teams 34% of the revenue (the lowest percentage possible).

They are losing about 16% of their seats, but I think it will result in a better atmosphere. Everyone will be closer to the action, and I'll bet it will be louder than before. I think that when people are way up so far from the field, they don't make as much noise. Even if they do, the sound is lost because that Mt. Davis section is above the rest of the stadium. With everyone no higher than the top of the walls of the 3rd deck, all the sound will be directed down to the field and less will escape. We should get that place ROCKING! Just like the good old days, when I first got my season tickets in 1980, when I watched Dan Pastorini break his leg the 5th game of the season and Jim Plunkett took over and guided the Raiders to a 9-2 record the remainder of the season, and a victory over the Eagles in Superbowl XV.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: raider_erik on February 09, 2013, 04:05:46 AM
Not a bad idea. I like the idea of condensing the crowd closer to the field. I'm sure it would be possible to remove the tarp when we reach the post-season (hopefully in the near future). The seats on Mt. Davis were alright, but they definitely weren't worth the cash I dropped.

Love the show guys, thanks for keeping me in the loop out here in Utah!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on February 10, 2013, 01:08:37 AM
Yeah with the 49'ers being such a hot ticket in town now, it's best that the raiders get as many games of theirs on tv as possible.

Still the tarps can't come off anytime during the season. Not that I have a lot of faith in Dennis Allen but if he somehow crapshoots his way to a playoff birth then our capacity must remain 53,000.

I think the Atmosphere will be better with a packed house closer to the field, but we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league as I've read some comments from Jaguars fans on profootballtalk.com saying the raiders are the new lame team. & honestly how can we justify a new stadium in Oakland when we tryna reduce capacity? IF they build Coliseum City then you can say goodbye to your $25 tickets and it will be a higher prices with a more upmarket clientel putting tickets out of range to the vocal blue collar fan.

I don't think we need a new stadium. But the Raiders are just so hell bent on trying to be the 49'ers it's not funny.
Title: NFL won't guarantee money for new Raiders "Coliseum City" Stadium
Post by: Randy on February 21, 2013, 08:38:42 AM
NFL won't guarantee money for new Raiders Oakland Stadium
Matthew Artz, BayAreaNewsGroup

http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22623146/nfl-wont-guarantee-money-raiders-stadium
Title: Raiders just became more likely to remain the OAKLAND Raiders
Post by: Randy on March 05, 2013, 03:11:26 PM
Raiders just became more likely to remain the OAKLAND Raiders
James Arcellana, Silver and Black Pride

Raiders may no longer have LA as an option for a new stadium

Complete story:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/5/4066626/oakland-raiders-just-became-more-likely-to-remain-the-oakland-raiders
Title: L.A. Stadium plan "dead in the water" (VIDEO)
Post by: Randy on March 08, 2013, 06:52:15 PM
Raiders to L.A.? Not likely anytime soon

http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/raiders-la-not-likely-anytime-soon


(http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/images/forum/LA_NFL_stadium_drawing.jpg)
Title: Rude awakening for dreams of NFL in L.A.?
Post by: Randy on March 15, 2013, 07:32:04 PM
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/mar/15/rude-awakening-for-dreams-of-nfl-in-la/
Title: Stadium Survey
Post by: Tokai Raider on April 07, 2013, 12:19:33 AM
I just filled out an online survey from the Raiders about their stadium plans. Lots of questions about "stadium builder licenses" or SBLs--the new word for PSLs. PSL holders would supposedly get a credit for the money they paid, to be applied towards an SBL. they compared costs of SBLs with stadiums in Carolina, Chicago, and SF, and asked how much I'd pay to sit in different sections, with different ticket and SBL amounts.

So it looks like some kind of 'seat license' will be happening, although survey respondents will likely tell them that they want to pay little or nothing for these things.
Title: IF THE CITY OF OAKLAND APPROVED IT, THE FANS WILL BUILD IT!
Post by: Autumn Wind Williams on June 24, 2013, 03:09:34 PM
@Tokai Raider I filled out that survey months ago too and personally I don't like those fees. But if that is what it takes and no other option I'll likely will pay the SBL fee. However, I think an alternative should be what this article is saying. http://justblogbaby.com/2013/06/23/new-stadium-for-oakland-raiders/ (http://justblogbaby.com/2013/06/23/new-stadium-for-oakland-raiders/) Many of us want the Oakland Raiders stay in or as close to Oakland as possible. So whether each fan go to games or couch their way in at home we should consider raising funds.
Title: Re: IF THE CITY OF OAKLAND APPROVED IT, THE FANS WILL BUILD IT!
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on June 27, 2013, 09:34:54 AM
@Tokai Raider I filled out that survey months ago too and personally I don't like those fees. But if that is what it takes and no other option I'll likely will pay the SBL fee. However, I think an alternative should be what this article is saying. http://justblogbaby.com/2013/06/23/new-stadium-for-oakland-raiders/ (http://justblogbaby.com/2013/06/23/new-stadium-for-oakland-raiders/) Many of us want the Oakland Raiders stay in or as close to Oakland as possible. So whether each fan go to games or couch their way in at home we should consider raising funds.

As the days tick by I do not have a lot of faith in a stadium being built in Oakland.

This is the 2nd survey in many years about the Raiders feedback seeking for a stadium at the current site.

Mayor Quan (or should i say the City of Oakland) has had years to come up with the goods and she wants to build a complex where 2 of the 3 current tennants (A's & Warriors) are lightyears away from re-committing to this current site.

Unfortunately 510'ers this team is looking like it's headed to SoCAL (IMO) 1st the tarps & more recently Amy Trask resigning (i think she may have inside info on 2014 & beyond n decided to leave based on the fact she was the teams biggest advocate of building a stadium in OAK.. Mark Davis too me says it's Oakland priority no.1 but he is open to other locations if the Oak council doesn't come to the party)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on June 27, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
@Tokai Raider I filled out that survey months ago too and personally I don't like those fees. But if that is what it takes and no other option I'll likely will pay the SBL fee. However, I think an alternative should be what this article is saying. http://justblogbaby.com/2013/06/23/new-stadium-for-oakland-raiders/ (http://justblogbaby.com/2013/06/23/new-stadium-for-oakland-raiders/) Many of us want the Oakland Raiders stay in or as close to Oakland as possible. So whether each fan go to games or couch their way in at home we should consider raising funds.

As the days tick by I do not have a lot of faith in a stadium being built in Oakland.

This is the 2nd survey in many years about the Raiders feedback seeking for a stadium at the current site.

Mayor Quan (or should i say the City of Oakland) has had years to come up with the goods and she wants to build a complex where 2 of the 3 current tennants (A's & Warriors) are lightyears away from re-committing to this current site.

Unfortunately 510'ers this team is looking like it's headed to SoCAL (IMO) 1st the tarps & more recently Amy Trask resigning (i think she may have inside info on 2014 & beyond n decided to leave based on the fact she was the teams biggest advocate of building a stadium in OAK.. Mark Davis too me says it's Oakland priority no.1 but he is open to other locations if the Oak council doesn't come to the party)

Oscar you've been begging the Raiders to move to L.A. Since I've known you!...just so your flight pattern will be easier....to me that's treason!...but aside my opinion on your stance....please tell me how L.A. will land ANY team there?  Haven't you followed the news?  They had a plan approved in the City of L.A. and had it all lined up but they can't fund it!  And the deadline came and gone!...this is the very reason why Al moved back to Oakland in the first place....they couldn't pay to build a stadium!....so knowing that fact....how are they gonna get financed and build a stadium in less then a year?  Cause that's when Oakland's lease runs out at the end of this year!  So you're saying the Raiders will be playing in a brand new stadium by the start of 2014?  Really?  They can't afford to build one right now with the L.A. City council behind them! ....the Raiders aren't going to live in limbo with no lease no direction by the end of this year....only way they could move anytime soon is if....L.A. gets a deal done to finance a stadium before February of 2014 and make a temporary agreement to have a temp stadium for them to play in while the new one gets built!  ...but it doesn't stop there....the Owners of the NFL must all vote in favor of allowing the Raiders to move to that TV market territory and that ain't happening under Goodell, who's on record that he wants an expansion team there, not a team from another market...don't believe me? Just look at the Sacramento Kings!  Everyone, you and Greg said they'd move...what happened? Dave Stern wouldn't allow it and neither did the owners of the NBA .....the Maloofs WANTED to move THEIR team to Seattle and their ass got shut down by the league ...they DID have financing and a better offer then Sacramento but Sacramento still won!....this is what will happen if the Raiders try moving again....Al sued the NFL over this very thing...that's why the NFL tacks on 3-4 phantom penalties a game!....So if you think they'll be encouraged to grant permission of that TV market in L.A. that easy you're high on crack!....Only realistic way it could happen is if Mark Davis sells the controlling interest to a group in L.A. Just like the Maloofs did to the group that owns them now....don't think for a second that Mark will!....the window is closed IMO ....but the Raiders have bad luck so anything can happen but I bet money they stay....they are highly likely to share the Niners stadium which WILL be ready at the beginning of the 2014 season and that meets the time frame of Oakland's lease running out!...I think that's what Mark is talking about.... We'll see...but stop the begging. Makes you sound like a traitor IMO ...don't claim to love Oakland and the fans like me that go there ....then say you want them to move like you have in the past!... Disgusting and rude!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Autumn Wind Williams on June 28, 2013, 03:51:47 AM

Right On Raider Mike!!! You beat me to the response about L. A. thinking they are going to get our boys again. @
RaiderWildeStyle I'm glad you are a raider fan still after they left L.A. but they had to click their cleats because it's no place like home. L.A. is a nice "vacation spot" I'll give you that. lol! One thing I gotta say is they better do more than just bumping gums and start printing out agreements. No players shouldn't have to wonder where they are going to play next and fans shouldn't have to worry about if they need to save more money to fly out of town. Heck I rather pay sbl fee's really more than plane tickets.
@Tokai Raider I filled out that survey months ago too and personally I don't like those fees. But if that is what it takes and no other option I'll likely will pay the SBL fee. However, I think an alternative should be what this article is saying. http://justblogbaby.com/2013/06/23/new-stadium-for-oakland-raiders/ (http://justblogbaby.com/2013/06/23/new-stadium-for-oakland-raiders/) Many of us want the Oakland Raiders stay in or as close to Oakland as possible. So whether each fan go to games or couch their way in at home we should consider raising funds.

As the days tick by I do not have a lot of faith in a stadium being built in Oakland.

This is the 2nd survey in many years about the Raiders feedback seeking for a stadium at the current site.

Mayor Quan (or should i say the City of Oakland) has had years to come up with the goods and she wants to build a complex where 2 of the 3 current tennants (A's & Warriors) are lightyears away from re-committing to this current site.

Unfortunately 510'ers this team is looking like it's headed to SoCAL (IMO) 1st the tarps & more recently Amy Trask resigning (i think she may have inside info on 2014 & beyond n decided to leave based on the fact she was the teams biggest advocate of building a stadium in OAK.. Mark Davis too me says it's Oakland priority no.1 but he is open to other locations if the Oak council doesn't come to the party)

Oscar you've been begging the Raiders to move to L.A. Since I've known you!...just so your flight pattern will be easier....too Me that's treason!...but aside my opinion on your stance....please tell Me how L.A. Will land ANY team there?  Haven't you followed the news?  They had a plan approve in the City of L.A. And had it all lined up but they can't fund it!  And the deadline came and gone!...this is the very reason why Al moved back to Oakland in the first place....they couldn't pay to build a stadium!....so knowing that fact....how are they gonna get financed and build a stadium in less then a year?  Cause that's when Oakland's lease runs out at the end of this year!  So your saying the Raiders will be playing in a brand new stadium by the start of 2014?  Really?  They can't afford to build one right now with the L.A. City council behind them! ....the Raiders aren't going to live in limbo with no lease no direction by the end of this year....only way they could move anytime soon is if....L.A. Gets a deal done to finance a stadium before Febuary of 2014 and make a temporary agreement to have a temp stadium for them to play in while the new one gets built!  ...but it doesn't stop there....the Owners of the NFL must all vote in favor of allowing the Raiders to move to that TV market territory and that ain't happening under Goddell who's on record that He wants a expansion team there not another team from another market...don't believe me? Just look at the Sacramento Kings!  Everyone you and Greg said they'd move...what happened? Dave Stern wouldn't allow it and neither did the owners of the NBA .....the Maloofs WANTED to move THEIR team to Seatlle and their ass got shut down by the league ...they DID have financing and a better offer then Sacramento but Sacramento still won!....this is what will happen if the Raiders try moving again....Al sued the NFL over this very thing...that's why the NFL tacks on 3-4 phantom penalties a game!....So if you think they'll be encouraged to grant permission of that TV market in L.A. That easy your high on crack!....only realistic way it could happen is if Mark Davis sell the controlling interest to a group in L.A. Just like the Maloofs did to the group that owns them now....don't think for a second that Mark will!....the window is closed IMO ....but the Raiders have bad luck so anything can happen but I bet money they stay....they are highly likely to share the Niners stadium which WILL be ready at the beginning of the 2014 season and that meets the time frame of Oakland's lease running out!...I think that's what Mark is talking about.... We'll see...but stop the begging makes you sound like a traitor IMO ...don't claim to love Oakland and the fans like Me that go there ....then say you want them to move like you have in the past!... Disgusting and rude!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on June 28, 2013, 07:06:02 AM
The Grandstanding & stalling on the stadium issue is a reason why I think the decision has mentally been made by Mark.

Obviously the front office is not gonna announce anything about a move to Los Angeles until they've sold their season ticket packages for the 2013 season (no need to alienate the fan base). & then Mark Davis is gotta work out the shit with Farmers Field or Dodgers Stadium & then he is gotta count on his dominos falling into place with the owners votes.

It's a 3 horse race between Raiders, Chargers & Rams for SoCAL & none of these franchises are going to announce plans until after this season as all 3 franchises have major issues with attendance.

If the Raiders were committed to Oakland, you'd think they'd have a stadium lease renewal already organized for 2014 and beyond (at least until this pipe dream of a project Coliseum City is shovel ready with ground broken).. Does the lease expiring after this season with nothing organized at the O.Co scare any of you NoCAL fans???



Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on June 28, 2013, 07:13:52 AM

Oscar you've been begging the Raiders to move to L.A. Since I've known you!...just so your flight pattern will be easier....to me that's treason!


Actually, It's got nothing to do with my flight pattern to attend games. (although it is a shorter route) 

I want the Raiders in Los Angeles because SoCAL helps with free agency, It helps with our National Exposure (which in affect helps us International fans get to see more games)

I'm a Raider fan wherever they play. hell the Raiders could move to Candlestick and change their name to the San Francisco Raiders & Imma still support that Silver & Black shield because I'm about the team & not the city.



Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on June 28, 2013, 02:07:27 PM
The Grandstanding & stalling on the stadium issue is a reason why I think the decision has mentally been made by Mark.

Obviously the front office is not gonna announce anything about a move to L.A.
REALLY? This is the 21st Century where an American X-NSA agent leaks info about U.S. Top secret information to to world .....yet they can conceal under the radar a deal to move a sports team to L.A.? Hahahaha you're funny Aussie!

then Mark Davis is gotta work out the shit with Farmers Field or Dodgers Stadium & then he is gotta count on his dominos falling into place with the owners votes.

ok it is just going to work itself out? You know how lame and reaching for the sky that sounds in the real business world?  You make it sound like Mark Davis has 1.8 BILLON dollars in the bank to build a stadium.... Didn't you pay attention to the facts I laid out for you?  L.A. ON THEIR OWN!  Couldn't get funding ....what does that fact not register with you? No money no team!  ....Plus the NFL owners just willingly are going across the board vote Yes to give permission to move? Hahaha after the what happened last time?  Your a funny man!  ....why would the league help the most hated franchise in the NFL?  Your high on crack!

It's a 3 horse race between Raiders, Chargers & Rams for SoCAL & none of these franchises are going to announce plans until after this season as all 3 franchises have major issues with attendance.

Really please send the link of proof of this I wanna see it!  .....sounds more like your fantasy wet dream

If the Raiders were committed to Oakland, you'd think they'd have a stadium lease renewal already organized for 2014 and beyond (at least until this pipe dream of a project Coliseum City is shovel ready with ground broken).. Does the lease expiring after this season with nothing organized at the O.Co scare any of you NoCAL fans???

No it doesn't because I visited the new stadium being built in Santa Clara and I know they have a clause in their lease to share it with another team that is on public record I can prove unlike your theories ....and as I said in my earlier post ...Mark Davis is going to see if the city of Oakland will come thru first before He takes the Santa Clara route... Plus ultimately this isn't Marks team it's his Mothers .....last time I checked she doesn't want the team to go nowhere! .....scare us fans?  You sound like an outsider when you say blasphemes like that....I'm gonna tell everyone at the tailgate and get you on camera this year in front of everybody and tell them you don't want them to stay in Oakland .....See how they feel about your loyalty to a city after that....lol ...I was going to do it last year but I spared you the embarrassment ....not this year! 
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on June 28, 2013, 02:34:10 PM

I want the Raiders in Los Angeles because SoCAL helps with free agency, It helps with our National Exposure (which in affect helps us International fans get to see more games)
Ok so all you care about is basically so you can watch games on TV more?  You sound pathetic!  .....You think because L.A. Is a huge TV market and great place to live ...the city existing itself will do Reggie's job for him?  Hahahaha what a joke!.... If that theory was accurate ....how come the NYJ, MIA, S.D., PHI, JAX, and many more BIG cites that have desirable places to get "National Exposure" have resulted in ZERO Super Bowls?  Hahaha that shit is fucking funny dude! ....no city will make a team a champion on it's own....I thought you'd know that watching football so long!....your just begging period!

I'm a Raider fan wherever they play. hell the Raiders could move to Candlestick and change their name to the San Francisco Raiders & Imma still support that Silver & Black shield because I'm about the team & not the city.

(Clapping sound)....that's good buddy!.... I am about the City and Team....they've been in Oakland for the majority of their existence and that's where they belong....I'll be a fan till I die .....but I want be "Die Hard" anymore if they leave!... Meaning no more going to games no more buying gear ....but I will always love them till I die! ... see to me being a REAL die hard fan is going to every game..... I've only missed 6 since 1995 something you'll never do in your life will be able to match!  Your not even in the same league as me in "Die Hard' status.... I've known you since 2008 (5 YEARS!) and you've been saying "they'll move they'll move"...well why are they still there?  LOL...I've heard L.A. Fans say that shit since they move in 1995 (18 YEARS AGO) that's 5 years longer then they were in L.A.....if was going to happen it would have....I remember when Al did that piece with Ice Cube and said "We'll listen" and you nutted your pants....but nothing happened...haha ...then just months ago this year they were as close as they ever were in bringing any team into L.A. and it failed....why?....FUNDING!.... So stop with you wet dream and tell me facts how will they get 1.8 Billion without a ownership change?  Or how are they gonna get support from Goddell and Owners when they hate us?  You keep dreaming...and if your so confident ....lets bet money that the Raiders stay....every one is a big man until the bet comes out....so lets make a bet big man....that they won't go anywhere!.... Let me know.... NFL teams represent their cities and have pride doing so....why do think logos and names of teams match the region?  Like Pittsburgh Steelers....you think their fan base would stay strong if they moved to L.A.?  lol....or how About the NYG or N.E. or any historic franchise that's NEVER moved...do you think those cities wouldn't care cause it's about the team not city?  ....I don't expect a foreigner like you to understand what that means....your just a visitor when you come here not a citizen of the U.S. so you don't understand the value of loyalty to your country or city ....fans that watch on TV are not "Die Hard" the ones that go to every game are!  And if you did ....you'd know it's more then just about the team....you sound lame to support this team to sell out and become the L.A. Traitors again!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Autumn Wind Williams on June 28, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
I got only one thing else to say about this and that's about the T.V. exposure. It shouldn't matter about T.V. exposure if you are a real raider fan and capable of going to the game. So you have a choice of proving you are a raider fan by showing up for games and supporting your team. OR being considered a COUCH FAN vegetating in your Mam' Cave during home games.

I really wish everybody realized if all tickets were being sold we wouldn't be tarping mount davis, talking about a new stadium, questioning if they are leaving again, or even having this conversation.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: SROTBFM on June 28, 2013, 09:19:52 PM

Oscar you've been begging the Raiders to move to L.A. Since I've known you!...just so your flight pattern will be easier....to me that's treason!


Actually, It's got nothing to do with my flight pattern to attend games. (although it is a shorter route) 

I want the Raiders in Los Angeles because SoCAL helps with free agency, It helps with our National Exposure (which in affect helps us International fans get to see more games)

I'm a Raider fan wherever they play. hell the Raiders could move to Candlestick and change their name to the San Francisco Raiders & Imma still support that Silver & Black shield because I'm about the team & not the city.

Man, you and Mike have this out every year, usually around this time when there's no actual news goin on!

One question on the exposure - don't you get Gamepass? Then you can watch every Raider game......

I know it's my only option cos the Raiders are never on tv here.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: SROTBFM on June 28, 2013, 09:29:15 PM
Not the "die hard" argument again! Can't we all just be Raider fans (Raider Nation anyone?).

Does being thousands of miles away and taking a day's vacation / getting up at 0200 to watch the Raiders on MNF make me less of a fan than someone who lives a few miles from the stadium going to the game?

I'll bet everyone here does what they can within their own circumstances (finances / location / free time).
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on June 28, 2013, 09:45:17 PM
Raider Mike I honestly appreciate the time you have taken to reply to my post but I've got nothing really more else to say to you. I am entitled to my opinions (which at the moment that's all it is) I'm allowed to make observations about the writing on the wall. I love how you're a hardcore fan but unfortunately many others in Oakland are not (hence the reason for the tarps)

If you want to belittle me on the video cast because I have a vision for what I think is best for this team, then go right ahead mate! I will stand by my words. We are the Raider Nation & not the Oakland Nation!!! Majority of the fanbase will
Stiill support this team wherever they may play.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on June 28, 2013, 09:52:53 PM

Man, you and Mike have this out every year, usually around this time when there's no actual news goin on!

One question on the exposure - don't you get Gamepass? Then you can watch every Raider game......

I know it's my only option cos the Raiders are never on tv here.

Unfortunately Colin, the Internet in my country is really slow. I have had gamepass & the quality of image is only slightly better then watching a free stream. Broadband fibre optic is not expected to my house for another 8 years. Watching games on TV is my preferred option.

The raiders are barely ever on TV in Australia. A move to Los Angeles makes them one of those attractive teams such as the Cowboys where it doesn't matter how good their record is that they'll still be due 4 or 5 national primetime TV slot teams.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: SROTBFM on June 28, 2013, 10:32:38 PM

Man, you and Mike have this out every year, usually around this time when there's no actual news goin on!

One question on the exposure - don't you get Gamepass? Then you can watch every Raider game......

I know it's my only option cos the Raiders are never on tv here.

Unfortunately Colin, the Internet in my country is really slow. I have had gamepass & the quality of image is only slightly better then watching a free stream. Broadband fibre optic is not expected to my house for another 8 years. Watching games on TV is my preferred option.

The raiders are barely ever on TV in Australia. A move to Los Angeles makes them one of those attractive teams such as the Cowboys where it doesn't matter how good their record is that they'll still be due 4 or 5 national primetime TV slot teams.

Ahh man, that sucks. Gamepass is my lifeline away from a steady diet of the usual suspects.

Same deal here - they are pretty much only on when they have to be - MNF, TNF, late sunday games or thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Autumn Wind Williams on June 28, 2013, 11:02:00 PM
Living outside of the bay area or can't afford to attend games do not make you any less of a die hard raider. The ones I laugh at that claim they are die hard are the ones that don't attend a single game, live near the coliseum, and can afford it. Funny how they have nerve to be pissed off if the game isn't on t.v. (those are the ones I call couch fans)!!!

I think that's hella cool how we got fans all over in other countries and states and that's why we are the Raider Nation more like Universe really. However, bottom line they were created as The Oakland Raiders so they should remain that way.
Title: Father of Super Fan Dr. Death says the team will never be L.A. Raiders again
Post by: Autumn Wind Williams on June 30, 2013, 04:34:16 PM
CLICK TO THE LINK BELOW TO SEE

Oakland Raiders Super Fan Dr. Death and his father recorded a discussion last night on Ustream about where our team belongs. Without putting down L.A. fans his father explained why he feels the Raiders will never again be the L. A. Raiders.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/35153087
Title: City of Oakland makes strong pitch to keep A's
Post by: Randy on July 16, 2013, 05:53:38 AM
City of Oakland makes strong pitch to keep A's
Monte Poole, BayAreaNewsGroup

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_23657083/poole-city-oakland-makes-strong-pitch-keep?source=most_viewed
Title: Raiders want to build 56,500-seat stadium in Oakland on current site
Post by: Randy on July 16, 2013, 05:55:11 AM
Raiders want to build 56,500-seat stadium in Oakland on current site
Matthew Artz, Oakland Tribune

http://www.contracostatimes.com/contra-costa-times/ci_23665661/raiders-want-build-50-000-seat-stadium-oakland

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/15/report-raiders-would-kick-in-300-million-for-50000-seat-stadium/


(http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/images/OaklandStadiumProposal.jpg)
Title: Dr. Death interviews Rick Tripp on this segment Till Death Do Us Part
Post by: Autumn Wind Williams on September 01, 2013, 03:08:06 PM
Dr. Death interviews Rick Tripp on this segment Till Death Do Us Part

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drdeath26/2013/08/29/til-death-do-us-part-1
Title: I interviewed Dr. Death about his chat with Rick Tripp, and the Raiders staying
Post by: Autumn Wind Williams on September 01, 2013, 03:11:31 PM
I interviewed Dr. Death https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=578620212194729&l=1e3a4ed50a

'The Admins' Interview with Dr. Death
By:Autumn Wind Williams

Me:
On this segment of The Admin Oakland Raiders series:
This week we are sitting down with Oakland Raiders Superfan
Dr. Death. To get to know his thoughts on not only the Oakland Raiders, but how can we keep the Raiders in Oakland.
Thank you Dr. Death for this interview! You, and I have these pages along with Save Oakland Sports, and a few others to try making the Raiders stay in Oakland not even a question. And the most important question I have to ask you is what else we can do to keep the Raiders in Oakland?

Dr.Death:
First and for most thank you very much for asking for this interview, very much appreciated. First I humbly ask every one to sign my petition to keep the Raiders in Oakland at change.org/saveoakland. Once I get 56k signatures I am going to print out all the signatures and give it to Mark Davis and Mayor Quan all the signatures. The petition is a symbolic gesture that the city of Oakland has us as fans and as a community support the Raiders in Oakland. Other things you can do GO TO GAMES. GO TO GAMES period win or lose. FILL THE SEATS. Also if you are in the bay area PLEASE if you have time and the energy get involved with Save Oakland Sports and be part of the solution, how can you help? You may be of HUGE help and you don’t even know it.

Me:
Not trying to be a preacher but that's what I been trying to explain to folks out there that got the spirit but, need to walk the talk. I like the www.blogtalkradio.com/drdeath26 radio show you do, and this past week it had some interesting topics. One of the highlights of the show was the interview with Rick Tripp. He mentioned how he wants to invest all this money to build a new stadium in Oakland. Do you care to speak on that? And do you feel it's more of a political issue than money issue right now involving the Raiders staying in Oakland? Also, one your callers mentioned "what's in it for him?"

Dr.Death:
Well first I’d like to thank you for listening to my radio show, I appreciate all my supporters. Through this process of working and doing anything I possibly can to keep the Raiders in Oakland I’ve been lucky to befriend key people such as architects like Lamphier and Gregory(Who are going to be on my show in a few weeks) and Rick Tripp. The common thing most key figures like L&G and Tripp have, is they are both genuine individuals who want to get this thing done, period. I consider my self a good judge of character and I have full confidence and take their word at face value.
Like I just mentioned through this saving Oakland process I have delved into “the behind the scenes” stuff if you will and I find more things here and there and recently I have come to a firm conclusion. This stadium ordeal has little to nothing to do with money, I strongly believe that. It is all completely political and trying to take a stronger role in Save Oakland sports and being a “Do-er” I have come across politics. Keep in mind I try my best to stay out of it I want almost nothing to do with Oakland politics, all I want is to keep my teams in Oakland, but no matter where ago, turn I take, its always political, that’s just the fact of the matter we all have to embrace.
What’s in it for Mr.Tripp? In my opinion it’s a couple of things. 1. This is a business so one thing I think is money of course 2. Credibility. If he can get this done Oakland then he can get it done any where else such as a San Diego new stadium or when it comes to building new soccer stadiums in new cities who are welcoming of other sports, this can potentially put him on the map. Do I know exact details how Tripp is going to get it done? No and honestly I don’t care to know until it is all unveiled publicly.

Me:
I have to agree on that! And he does have a genuine demeanor from what I've heard on the last show "Till Death Do Us Part!" Which is a perfect name by the way for that segment. I liked how you mentioned in the bay area that it could be potential sponsors of a new stadium. I was like, "FINALLY SOMEBODY THINKING LIKE ME!!!!" We have so many corporations/possible investors that can help pitch in money to help get this going to where season ticket holders like us don't have to pay SBL fees. What main companies do you think we should reach out to?

Dr.Death:
Like I mentioned before I have taken initiative to become more involved with Save Oakland Sports and be part of the solution. As of right now SOS is in the middle of reaching out to the fortune 500 companies such as the Chevron’s, the Google’s, the Apple computer’s, the list goes on and on and on. This part of the game plan in my opinion takes a lot of team work on all levels, such as Save Oakland Sports, The city and Mayor Quan, to the Oakland Raiders. Save Oakland Sports is holding a Business Summit meeting inviting all businesses from mom and pop to big corporations Like Clorox and the other mentioned companies to attend this summit meeting in hopes to potentially invest in the City of Oakland and the Raiders. I can say this right now, Currently as we speak my self and a handful of loyal passionate Raider fans who come from different professional back grounds and areas of expertise are devoting our time to make this Business Summit meeting work.

Me:
I can feel that! However. as an Oakland Raider fan we get left out in the dark unless we attend meetings along with Save Oakland Sports. And since I work full time I have to at least be a source online for my team based on info provided from either you, or Save Oakland Sports. What are you hearing and seeing at the meetings and the visits to City Hall?

Dr.Death:
Well I totally feel where you come from working full time, any fans who want to go can’t because they have families to support and take care of. Right now i'm lucky i'm single and working in a restaurant my schedule is flexible. But by being able to go to these meetings like I said before in my previous answer, its just straight political. Certain people, such as politician or people who have clout carry their own agenda. However there are some key figures who are genuine. In my honest opinion I think things will get done. The reason why? There are people who are working tirelessly behind the scenes, some I keep in contact with on a professional level to see how can I help. I see people who could have easily given up on this process 2 years ago but are still trying their best to find solutions.

Me:
Right...You mentioned also on your radio show how your co-host Brian created a petition to move the Raiders back to L.A. and I can understand how you were upset about that. I also understand how you couldn't just shut him out as a friend due to disagreeing about a football teams movement. But what was his reason behind the whole rival page creation? And did he apologize or give any valid reason for that?

Dr. Death:
Out side of my radio show I maintain a good relationships with my co hosts and I confide in them about many things even not football but about life in general. Brian and I did talk and he made clear points which made complete sense. He wanted to see how much support LA would actually get by starting a petition. Its easy to say “move to LA” but would it actually work, would people be accepting of the Raiders. Its an honest question that has to be asked, would people even be accepting of the Raiders in Oakland? My petition is approaching 9 thousand his and a few others haven’t even sniffed 200 I think. Brian is a very smart guy, he has reasons for everything, which is why I like having him as a co host.

Me:
That's respectable..And you said SNIFFING 200 signatures huh, lmfao!! Which brings me to the video I loved watching about you, and your dad via ustream. "Why the Raiders will not move back to L.A." He was right! Us Raiders around that time never bought any Raider gear that had L.A. on it if we were from Oakland. And I can see that being a big reason why they won't leave Oakland. There is too much finances that will be lost from sports apparel. Nobody will buy a Louisville Woodson jersey, a Streater Alabama jersey, or Mcfadden L.A. jersey. How is that man cave coming along? Did he finish it up yet?

Dr. Death:
In all honestly I don’t think our Raider man cave will ever be finished lol. We still have so much in boxes we haven’t even put up yet, we are always being given paraphernalia and buying things, it’s like its never ending.

Me:
That's fucking great in my opinion! I myself can never get tired of raider memorabelia. Now for those that don't know former Oakland Raider Skip Thomas was the original Dr. Death. Did your dad show you videos to where you decided to carry on the great name of him so it will never be forgotten?

Dr. Death:
I actually took it upon my self to watch videos of the soul patrol and Skip Thomas in action.I love those videos gives me goose bumps.

Me:
That's dope! I don't know how much I myself watch those videos. Pure Epic History! Alright, before we end this interview I want to know who is your line up for offense, and defense as if you are Dennis Allen
"At the End of the Day" Lol?!?

Dr. Death:
Oh boy this is off the top of my head LT Watson LG Bergstrom C wiz RG-Brisiel, RT-Barron(for now)
Qb-Pryor, Flynn, and Mcgloin
RB-Mcfadden, and Murray
WR-Streater, Brice B, Moore, Ford, and Criner
Te-( not too keen on them) Ausbury, and Rivera (but not solid picks)
Of course my boy REECE!!!
DLINE-Houston, Hunter, Walker, Simms
Lbers-Sio, Roach, Burnett, Maiava( i'm missing someone its 2 am just got off work not thinking right lol)
Dbs-Hayden, Jenkins, Porter, Adams (Taiwan
Safety-C-wood, Branch, and I like whats his face #36 used to play for niners name is slippin my mind right now he has been all over the field.
P-King

Me:
Dope picks to me for starters! Unfortunately, Smith and Bergstrom are gone but ya never know..they could be returning back. Anyway, thank you Dr. Death for this interview and I will see you at HOME/Oakland Coliseum in the Black Hole..
But, my final question..What is your favorite Al Davis quote out of the many?

Dr Death:
Hah oh man, if you listen to any of my speeches or interviews I do in the media tend to sometime subtly quote Coach Davis, and I think I’ve quoted some of his sayings quite a bit. But one that I tend to live by and has exemplified what I do through this whole stadium process is “ I don’t take whats given to me I take what I want.”
Just win baby!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on September 02, 2013, 09:33:37 PM
The fans are doing great for the raiders staying in Oakland, the petition getting signed &
By the looks the tickets sales are looking good (judging by availability on icketmaster etc)

It's the Oakland council & the raiders org pussyfooting around. Raiders need to hire someone like a Amy Trask who's sole focus is on this stadium. I don't believe Mark Davis has the business savvy to connect the dots and get shovels breaking on our new digs.

The OAKLAND council is the biggest joke. 12 months ago it was all about the coliseum city when they knew full well 2 out of 3 tenants planned on moving. They should've focused on the 56k stadium years ago and not wasted all these dollars with the pipe dream which is Coliseum Ciry
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on September 16, 2013, 07:33:04 PM
I was really impressed with the noise coming from the O.Co yesterday!!! Oakland definitely deserves a stadium for it's passioante fan base. Do I think that shits gonna get done? (not that confident on account of the public money needed)

But even with the tarps on Mt Davis, it was really fucking loud..Seattle has nothing on us when it comes to cheering for our team.

 I cannot wait to experience the atmosphere in October/November! 
Title: Deep Pocketed Investors sign up for "Coliseum City" in Oakland
Post by: Randy on October 02, 2013, 06:24:38 AM
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_24209664/deep-pocketed-developers-sign-up-coliseum-city


http://youtube.com/v/hhns0JL9N-I
Title: Re: Deep Pocketed Investors sign up for "Coliseum City" in Oakland
Post by: Tokai Raider on October 03, 2013, 07:01:00 AM
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_24209664/deep-pocketed-developers-sign-up-coliseum-city

this article was funny. mayor quan says she wants a bowling alley and a roller skating rink ... what? maybe she also wants a drive-in movie theater, a malt shop, a record store ... there's a reason no one is building those places anymore.

but best of all was her comment that the deep-pocketed investors will pay for her to build whatever she wants. she has that backwards. they invest so they can build what THEY want, not what you want. and that ain't gonna be a fucking bowling alley or a roller skating rink.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Toecutter on October 05, 2013, 04:03:30 PM
....Like Pittsburgh Steelers....you think their fan base would stay strong if they moved to L.A.?  lol....or how About the NYG or N.E. or any historic franchise that's NEVER moved...do you think those cities wouldn't care cause it's about the team not city?  ....I don't expect a foreigner like you to understand what that means....your just a visitor when you come here not a citizen of the U.S. so you don't understand the value of loyalty to your country or city ....fans that watch on TV are not "Die Hard" the ones that go to every game are!  And if you did ....you'd know it's more then just about the team....

Firstly, Steelers, Giants, and Patriots are not "nations". Whereas the Raider Nation is truly a worldwide phenomena. The rest of these so-called "nations" are pale facsimiles. Fugazis.

I did not care for the move to L.A the first time, but that's how it played out. I was stoked that they moved back to Oakland where they belong. I hope, despite the utter incompetence of Oakland's city council, that a Oakland solution can be worked out.
Sharing a stadium with the Fortywhiners? I'd rather see them move to East Butthump Anywhereland.

From what I gather the only "true fan" is one who lives in Oakland, and can drive across town to the stadium.
If that was true, which it is not, then the Raider nation would be no nation at all. It would just like the Giants, Steelers, Pats, etc.

Since I live in a Fore-i-en country, and have only managed to attend one game, therefore I cannot be a "die-hard" fan? Bollocks to you, sir. Pretty easy to trash others because they don't incur the expense of traveling great distances to attend a game, when you have only, in comparison, have only to cross the street.

Due to your Homeland Insecurity rules some of us can no longer enter the Republic, however I see that terrorists, and Mexican gardeners are under no such prohibition. ;)

But that gem of xenophobic ignorance was breathtaking. Somehow only 'Muricuns can possibly understand loyalty to one's country, or city. Having served in my countries armed forces, I should think I have some idea as to what loyalty means. Perhaps when you're old enough, you too can serve your country the same way. ;D




Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Tokai Raider on October 06, 2013, 07:17:58 AM
I don't expect a foreigner like you to understand what that means....your just a visitor when you come here not a citizen of the U.S. so you don't understand the value of loyalty to your country or city

Wow. I came on here to post about the Raiders looking into building a stadium in Concord, on the old naval weapons station site (http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Raiders-owner-scouts-Concord-site-for-new-stadium-4872699.php) but then I find this shit?

Let's examine the logic of these sentences. A tourist in the US won't understand the value of loyalty to their own country or city ... because ... why? Let's say a Spaniard from Madrid comes to the US to visit, and while he's in the US, he can't understand loyalty to Spain or Madrid? If he goes back to Spain, would he regain that understanding? Is it jet lag that makes him not understand?

What I think it means is that Americans supposedly have some special claim to loyalty. Someone who's visiting the US, and who's not an American citizen, can't understand what loyalty means to Americans. But that's ridiculous. This isn't some exclusive feeling that only Americans have. That's nationalistic nonsense. "My loyalty is better than your loyalty. Why? Because I say so. USA! USA!" I'm teaching a class this semester on nationalism ... but this BS isn't on the syllabus.

Can we stick to talking about football here? If someone wants to post about how foreigners can never understand ... whatever it is they think foreigners can't understand ... then I would like to respectfully suggest that they post that somewhere else. There's a ton of sites out there that cater to that topic. I say this knowing full well that I do not control this site, and am only a very thankful friend and fan of Greg and Randy's work.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on October 07, 2013, 08:48:53 AM
The Concord Stadium article in Irwindale 2013.

Mark probably just looking at Concord to start creating
 a) leverage &
b) sense of urgency by the Oakland Council to get shit done at the current site.

Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Tokai Raider on October 07, 2013, 01:30:36 PM
The Concord Stadium article is Irwindale 2013.

Mark probably just looking at Concord to start creating
 a) leverage &
b) sense of urgency by the Oakland Council to get shit done at the current site.

It makes sense for the team to have a backup plan, and Concord isn't as far out in the middle of nowhere as Irwindale was. With BART nearby, the naval station isn't too bad. How far is it from the freeway and Caltrain?
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Dee on October 08, 2013, 07:21:12 PM
News just broke that the Raiders are set to play a home game in London next year

great for the UK Raider Nation obviously  , but not so great for you guys over there
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: SROTBFM on October 08, 2013, 08:34:40 PM
News just broke that the Raiders are set to play a home game in London next year

great for the UK Raider Nation obviously  , but not so great for you guys over there

RaiderNationPodcast - International Edition :)

Greg, Randy, Robert, Mike, Juan, Oscar, Rodney, Kev and all the rest of you guys - make the trip, it's gonna be a blast!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Englishraider on October 09, 2013, 07:53:45 PM
News just broke that the Raiders are set to play a home game in London next year

great for the UK Raider Nation obviously  , but not so great for you guys over there

RaiderNationPodcast - International Edition :)

Greg, Randy, Robert, Mike, Juan, Oscar, Rodney, Kev and all the rest of you guys - make the trip, it's gonna be a blast!
   be great to get all you guys here     I will be over for the titans game in november will be on a recruitment drive for you to come to london 
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on October 09, 2013, 09:44:06 PM
News just broke that the Raiders are set to play a home game in London next year

great for the UK Raider Nation obviously  , but not so great for you guys over there

RaiderNationPodcast - International Edition :)

Greg, Randy, Robert, Mike, Juan, Oscar, Rodney, Kev and all the rest of you guys - make the trip, it's gonna be a blast!
   be great to get all you guys here     I will be over for the titans game in november will be on a recruitment drive for you to come to london

Les:

Do you have any idea what we will have to do to get tickets for the game? Don't they have a lottery for tickets? Will we have to buy them from a ticket broker who resells them? Any recommendations? It's sort of strange being that it's technically a "home" Raiders game, but Raiders season ticket holders who normally purchase 8 home game tickets for regular season will not have this London game included in their home game ticket book as I understand it. I wonder if our season ticket package will be cheaper next year as a result. So someone who pays $100 per game for two seats and normally pays $1600 for the season (8 x $200) will only have to pay $1400 for the season (7 x $200)?
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: SROTBFM on October 10, 2013, 01:04:46 PM
News just broke that the Raiders are set to play a home game in London next year

great for the UK Raider Nation obviously  , but not so great for you guys over there

RaiderNationPodcast - International Edition :)

Greg, Randy, Robert, Mike, Juan, Oscar, Rodney, Kev and all the rest of you guys - make the trip, it's gonna be a blast!
   be great to get all you guys here     I will be over for the titans game in november will be on a recruitment drive for you to come to london

Les:

Do you have any idea what we will have to do to get tickets for the game? Don't they have a lottery for tickets? Will we have to buy them from a ticket broker who resells them? Any recommendations? It's sort of strange being that it's technically a "home" Raiders game, but Raiders season ticket holders who normally purchase 8 home game tickets for regular season will not have this London game included in their home game ticket book as I understand it. I wonder if our season ticket package will be cheaper next year as a result. So someone who pays $100 per game for two seats and normally pays $1600 for the season (8 x $200) will only have to pay $1400 for the season (7 x $200)?

I think they do reserve an allocation for "home" fans - certainly when I was there a good number of Bostonians were present following the brady bunch.

Failing that, you can buy club packages direct from Wembley for around $500 if you lose out / don't want the hassle of the uk registration process.

Ticketmaster are the official partner.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Randy on October 10, 2013, 01:44:02 PM
News just broke that the Raiders are set to play a home game in London next year

great for the UK Raider Nation obviously  , but not so great for you guys over there

RaiderNationPodcast - International Edition :)

Greg, Randy, Robert, Mike, Juan, Oscar, Rodney, Kev and all the rest of you guys - make the trip, it's gonna be a blast!
   be great to get all you guys here     I will be over for the titans game in november will be on a recruitment drive for you to come to london

Les:

Do you have any idea what we will have to do to get tickets for the game? Don't they have a lottery for tickets? Will we have to buy them from a ticket broker who resells them? Any recommendations? It's sort of strange being that it's technically a "home" Raiders game, but Raiders season ticket holders who normally purchase 8 home game tickets for regular season will not have this London game included in their home game ticket book as I understand it. I wonder if our season ticket package will be cheaper next year as a result. So someone who pays $100 per game for two seats and normally pays $1600 for the season (8 x $200) will only have to pay $1400 for the season (7 x $200)?

I think they do reserve an allocation for "home" fans - certainly when I was there a good number of Bostonians were present following the brady bunch.

Failing that, you can buy club packages direct from Wembley for around $500 if you lose out / don't want the hassle of the uk registration process.

Ticketmaster are the official partner.

What do those club packages from Wembley include? Two tickets? What are the "club" seats like? I'm not holding out much hope of getting tickets through the Raiders. When they went to the Superbowl vs Tampa Bay they had a lottery for about 5,000 tickets. Each person could buy 4 seats. With about 20,000 season ticket holders, not a very high percentage of them were selected. I was one who was not, and ended up paying $1700 for one ticket on eBay! THAT was sure money I wished I could get back about 15 minutes into the game.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: SROTBFM on October 10, 2013, 05:04:59 PM
News just broke that the Raiders are set to play a home game in London next year

great for the UK Raider Nation obviously  , but not so great for you guys over there

RaiderNationPodcast - International Edition :)

Greg, Randy, Robert, Mike, Juan, Oscar, Rodney, Kev and all the rest of you guys - make the trip, it's gonna be a blast!
   be great to get all you guys here     I will be over for the titans game in november will be on a recruitment drive for you to come to london

Les:

Do you have any idea what we will have to do to get tickets for the game? Don't they have a lottery for tickets? Will we have to buy them from a ticket broker who resells them? Any recommendations? It's sort of strange being that it's technically a "home" Raiders game, but Raiders season ticket holders who normally purchase 8 home game tickets for regular season will not have this London game included in their home game ticket book as I understand it. I wonder if our season ticket package will be cheaper next year as a result. So someone who pays $100 per game for two seats and normally pays $1600 for the season (8 x $200) will only have to pay $1400 for the season (7 x $200)?

I think they do reserve an allocation for "home" fans - certainly when I was there a good number of Bostonians were present following the brady bunch.

Failing that, you can buy club packages direct from Wembley for around $500 if you lose out / don't want the hassle of the uk registration process.

Ticketmaster are the official partner.

What do those club packages from Wembley include? Two tickets? What are the "club" seats like? I'm not holding out much hope of getting tickets through the Raiders. When they went to the Superbowl vs Tampa Bay they had a lottery for about 5,000 tickets. Each person could buy 4 seats. With about 20,000 season ticket holders, not a very high percentage of them were selected. I was one who was not, and ended up paying $1700 for one ticket on eBay! THAT was sure money I wished I could get back about 15 minutes into the game.

The "Club Wembley" $500 package gets you one ticket(!) but gives you some benefits like a dedicated entrance for quick access, free food and drink for two hours before and after the game + halftime, a programme and lanyard (wow!), and a much less busy bar during the game. It's overpriced but it's only the packages Wembley sell direct. You can get just a club seat for about $200 but need to go through the official process.

The club seats are on the middle "belt" around the stadium, similar to the Coliseum. If you check the Wembley website I think they show you the view from any selected seat.

I seem to remember the NFL also offer official "experience" packages including tickets, travel etc for US fans. Again though, I'd expect it to be less expensive if you book travel / accomodation independently.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on October 11, 2013, 05:50:09 AM
That's nationalistic nonsense. "My loyalty is better than your loyalty. Why? Because I say so. USA! USA!".

 If someone wants to post about how foreigners can never understand ... whatever it is they think foreigners can't understand

Hey Robert Why don't you just say what you really want to say.. and say it directly to Me... instead of talking shit ....The Hypocrisy is sickening and cowardly
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on October 11, 2013, 05:56:46 AM
The Raiders are moving to L.A. probably anyway... The Mayor doesn't care and no one cares enough to stand up for it.... Except Mark Davis...  So their gone... Either way I'll be happy when the stadium gets built and put this fucking bullshit to bed... i am so sick of hearing about it
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Tokai Raider on October 14, 2013, 12:55:30 PM
That's nationalistic nonsense. "My loyalty is better than your loyalty. Why? Because I say so. USA! USA!".

 If someone wants to post about how foreigners can never understand ... whatever it is they think foreigners can't understand

Hey Robert Why don't you just say what you really want to say.. and say it directly to Me... instead of talking shit ....The Hypocrisy is sickening and cowardly

I'll post what I want where I want. I said what I wanted to say. Interpret it however you wish.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Toecutter on October 14, 2013, 04:49:12 PM
That's nationalistic nonsense. "My loyalty is better than your loyalty. Why? Because I say so. USA! USA!".

 If someone wants to post about how foreigners can never understand ... whatever it is they think foreigners can't understand

Hey Robert Why don't you just say what you really want to say.. and say it directly to Me... instead of talking shit ....The Hypocrisy is sickening and cowardly

He quoted you directly, then responded to your statements.
That pretty much fulfills the responding directly to you definition.
Now,  time to drop your divisive attitude toward those of the Raider NATION who don't live within 10 ft of Oco Coliseum.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on October 15, 2013, 02:22:48 AM
Time to drop your divisive attitude toward

Time for you to STFU... And thanks for responding to my post.....It Shows I got you!  .....Now go make suggestions to people who care
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Toecutter on October 17, 2013, 02:54:08 AM
Time to drop your divisive attitude toward

Time for you to STFU... And thanks for responding to my post.....It Shows I got you!  .....Now go make suggestions to people who care

Wow...just wow ??? settle down Sonny-Jim.

By the way my intellectually challenged friend, by your bizarre reasoning your response to my post means...I GOT YOU. ;)

Now please, calm down. Your childish ramblings are an embarrassment to the Raider Nation. Any fans of other clubs would think us gibbering neanderthals if they should perchance stumble upon one of your dissembling rants.

Any chance we could pitch in, and purchase a Broncos jersey for you to wear? It would help us all out a lot. Thanks.
Title: Is Coliseum City idea Oakland's final shot to keep Raiders?
Post by: Randy on October 18, 2013, 02:55:57 AM
Is Coliseum City idea Oakland's final shot to keep Raiders?
TIM KAWAKAMI, San Jose Mercury News

http://www.insidebayarea.com/tim-kawakami/ci_24330948/kawakami-is-coliseum-city-idea-oaklands-final-shot


Raiders fans cheer Oakland council's backing for stadium push
Matthew Artz, Oakland Tribune

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_24323040/raiders-fans-cheer-oakland-councils-backing-stadium-push
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on October 18, 2013, 04:49:34 AM
Wow...just wow ??? settle down Sonny-Jim.

By the way my intellectually challenged friend, by your bizarre reasoning your response to my post means...I GOT YOU. ;)

Now please, calm down. Your childish ramblings are an embarrassment to the Raider Nation. Any fans of other clubs would think us gibbering neanderthals if they should perchance stumble upon one of your dissembling rants.

Any chance we could pitch in, and purchase a Broncos jersey for you to wear? It would help us all out a lot. Thanks.

LMFAO....you know when someone personally attacks or acts like you do....You know their lost and are desperate to get a reaction to their satisfaction.... Well... Thank you Bud!...you confirmed ...I GOT YOU! ....thanks for the good laugh ...it's great having puppets on strings like you ....it cheers Me up!
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Toecutter on October 20, 2013, 02:52:18 PM
Wow...just wow ??? settle down Sonny-Jim.

By the way my intellectually challenged friend, by your bizarre reasoning your response to my post means...I GOT YOU. ;)

Now please, calm down. Your childish ramblings are an embarrassment to the Raider Nation. Any fans of other clubs would think us gibbering neanderthals if they should perchance stumble upon one of your dissembling rants.

Any chance we could pitch in, and purchase a Broncos jersey for you to wear? It would help us all out a lot. Thanks.

LMFAO....you know when someone personally attacks or acts like you do....You know their lost and are desperate to get a reaction to their satisfaction.... Well... Thank you Bud!...you confirmed ...I GOT YOU! ....thanks for the good laugh ...it's great having puppets on strings like you ....it cheers Me up!

Hmmm, I've watched for some time before commenting on your ignorant treatment of other members of the Raider Nation.
You personally attack at the drop of a hat, yet, bizarrely claim others are "desperate to get a reaction".

Yes, you are the forum troll king, congratulations, this being your ownly accomplishment in your very young life I'm sure.
I of course have contributed to this, as giving you the only attention you'll ever receive in life. Sad really, for both of us.

Now, Mike, can I call you Mike? Or is it Micheal?
I've been in touch with the Bronco's concerning your leaving the Raider nation, and joining their fan base.
They were very excited to see you become one of them.
By leaving the Raider nation, and joining the Bronco whatevers you would have the dual accomplishment of raising the average IQ of both groups simultaneously. Bravo, my friend, bravo.

To help you in your transition I've purchased a Bronco's jersey to help you get used to wearing orange all the time.
They were out of Manning jerseys, but I got a smokin' deal on a Tebow. I got it in small, as I surmise from your posts you are a small man. If not one of the little people.
That is no insult, I adore you little folk, after all, what would Lord of the Rings be without your type?

Please PM me your address so I can FedEx your Tebow jersey to you...Bronco Mike...has a nice ring to it...
Title: Re: Is Coliseum City idea Oakland's final shot to keep Raiders?
Post by: Toecutter on October 20, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Is Coliseum City idea Oakland's final shot to keep Raiders?
TIM KAWAKAMI, San Jose Mercury News

http://www.insidebayarea.com/tim-kawakami/ci_24330948/kawakami-is-coliseum-city-idea-oaklands-final-shot (http://www.insidebayarea.com/tim-kawakami/ci_24330948/kawakami-is-coliseum-city-idea-oaklands-final-shot)


Raiders fans cheer Oakland council's backing for stadium push
Matthew Artz, Oakland Tribune

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_24323040/raiders-fans-cheer-oakland-councils-backing-stadium-push (http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_24323040/raiders-fans-cheer-oakland-councils-backing-stadium-push)

This most likely is the last gasp at keeping the raiders in the Oakland area.
Even the brain-dead city council voted 6-0 for the concept. easy on their part, they're not committing any money to the project, and have dropped it into the prospective investors laps to see where it goes.
Basically the council punted. At least they're not standing in the way, unless demands for bowling alleys, and ice cream shops gets in the way...

Now it's up the the Raiders, Bay Investment Group, and Colony Capital. The next couple of months will tell if these investment partners are truly serious, and if Davis must sell part of his ownership stake to ante up his commitment in lieu of cash, which he ain't got. Which he would most likely have to do if it comes to a L.A deal.

By April we'll know for sure (hopefully) which way the Raiders ships heads...we indeed are living in interesting times in the Raiders history...

Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on October 21, 2013, 09:12:42 AM
Come on Now..

Lets settle down with the name calling, We might not agree on who's city this team is but there is no need to make wild accusations like we are Broncos fans.

As for Coliseum City.. What a joke. This was a meeting attended by fans and councilmen. no team owners, no deep pocket investors in attendance. these Saudi Arabians better start talking (then walking) about a commitment to this development if it's only 1 team. I can gaurentee you that unless Lew Wolff sells his team the A's ain't staying in Oakland.

The Warriors have put money into this SF project. but i could see a team like the Kings, Bucks etc moving to the East Bay and then the Bay Area becoming a 2 hoop team town.

But i struggle to see how this development can succeed honestly with only 8 football games a year where it would be built on the back of a restaurant/entertainment precint which would be more beneficiial if they had baseballs 81 home games and hoops 41 homes games a year.

but time will tell.. and time is ticking!!!

Mark Davis saying all the right things which is positivie.. time to speak up "Deep Pocketed Investors"
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on October 21, 2013, 06:09:14 PM
Quote
You confirmed ...I GOT YOU! ....thanks for the good laugh ...it's great having puppets on strings like you ....it cheers Me up!

Please PM me your address so I can FedEx your Tebow jersey to you...Bronco Mike...has a nice ring to it




Your hilarious!...talk about crying like a baby!...Thanks for all the time you spent posting about Me...I don't give out autographs sorry.... I GOT YOU!  Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Dee on October 24, 2013, 02:51:55 PM
It's the Dolphins by the way , when you've finished arguing amongst yourselves.

Who's Coming to London! ?   8)
Title: League tells teams not to cut their own L.A. deals
Post by: Randy on November 11, 2013, 09:00:17 PM
League tells teams not to cut their own L.A. deals

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/11/league-tells-teams-not-to-cut-their-own-l-a-deals/
Title: Coliseum board considers lease extensions for Raiders, Athletics
Post by: Randy on November 25, 2013, 06:04:57 PM
Coliseum board considers lease extensions for Raiders, Athletics
David DeBolt, InsideBayArea.com

http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_24592634/oakland-coliseum-board-considers-lease-extensions-raiders-athletics
Title: Woman jumps from Coliseum's 3rd deck - 61 y/o US Marine Vet breaks her fall
Post by: Randy on November 25, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
Woman jumps from Coliseum's 3rd deck - 61 y/o US Marine Vet breaks her fall
David DeBolt, InsideBayArea.com

http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_24593320/woman-jumps-from-third-deck-coliseum
Title: Turns out Oakland mayor's princely claim was royal fib
Post by: Randy on April 12, 2014, 11:20:36 PM
Turns out Oakland mayor's princely claim was royal fib
Levi Damien, SB Nation

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/4/12/5608542/turns-out-oakland-mayors-princely-claim-was-royal-fib
Title: Re: Turns out Oakland mayor's princely claim was royal fib
Post by: Raider G360 on April 14, 2014, 11:06:29 PM
Turns out Oakland mayor's princely claim was royal fib
Levi Damien, SB Nation

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/4/12/5608542/turns-out-oakland-mayors-princely-claim-was-royal-fib

Is she up for re-election this year? If so, she may be on her way out.
Title: Re: Turns out Oakland mayor's princely claim was royal fib
Post by: Randy on April 20, 2014, 01:49:04 PM
Turns out Oakland mayor's princely claim was royal fib
Levi Damien, SB Nation

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/4/12/5608542/turns-out-oakland-mayors-princely-claim-was-royal-fib

Is she up for re-election this year? If so, she may be on her way out.

Yes she is up for re-election.
Title: Mayor Quan
Post by: Autumn Wind Williams on April 21, 2014, 01:29:25 AM
This is just another purpose why it is important for Raider fans especially those of us from Oakland to call the Mayor's, Alameda Supervisor's, City Councils' offices..

If she wants votes she has to make sure she completes what is right for the City of Oakland..Growing up I've seen so much taken away from my home and it started mainly around after the Raiders moved to L.A..Then the violence increased, more drug dealers were increasing, etc..

Why? Because jobs were taken away and depression from the lack of things to do.
Title: With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Post by: Randy on April 25, 2014, 12:44:43 AM
With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Levi Damien, SB Nation

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/4/24/5651116/with-coliseum-city-commitment-deadline-passed-raiders-wait-on-as
Title: Re: With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on April 26, 2014, 03:47:55 PM
With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Levi Damien, SB Nation

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/4/24/5651116/with-coliseum-city-commitment-deadline-passed-raiders-wait-on-as

SO HEY GREG WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT THE RAIDERS TO MOVE TO L.A. ....JUST WATCH THIS VIDEO AND REFLECT ON HOW PEOPLE FELT AND VIEWED THE RAIDERS AFTER THEY LEFT BACK IN 1987.....THE RAIDERS SOLD OUT FOR THE GLITTER OF HOLLYWOOD AND 30,000 empty seats regularly .....THAT'S WHY AL CAME BACK TO OAKLAND! ....HE KNEW THE FAN BASE HERE IS GENUINE AND CARES ABOUT THEIR TEAM EVEN WHEN THEY LOSE 2-14 2006 sell out 5 of 8 games ...NEVER HAPPEN IN L.A.!  .....watch Ricky at Ricky's bar get interviewed and watch him babble about Oakland getting a expansion team and starting over ..,,Remember the "Oakland Invaders"?  I wonder if Randy remembers that?  .....yeah when they chase the new stadium and TV market of L.A. .....Watch this  franchise die and lose Mystique and the hardcore fan base that came with it ....will there still be some left? Of course I'm a Raider for life ....but PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO AND WATCH THE REACTION TO FANS .....AND THEN TELL ME YOU WANT THAT FOR THE PEOPLE OF OAKLAND WHO FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS HAVE GAVE EVERYTHING TO SEE THIS TEAM WIN!


http://youtu.be/mjgMhE9jc7w

 
Title: Re: With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Post by: Randy on April 26, 2014, 04:42:44 PM
With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Levi Damien, SB Nation

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/4/24/5651116/with-coliseum-city-commitment-deadline-passed-raiders-wait-on-as

SO HEY GREG WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT THE RAIDERS TO MOVE TO L.A. ....JUST WATCH THIS VIDEO AND REFLECT ON HOW PEOPLE FELT AND VIEWED THE RAIDERS AFTER THEY LEFT BACK IN 1987....


http://youtu.be/mjgMhE9jc7w

The Raiders didn't leave Oakland in '87...The Raiders were in L.A. for the 1982 through 1994 seasons. I know you must have just hit the wrong key when you typed that message, but just wanted to clarify that for people who might not know the right dates.
Title: Re: With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Post by: Randy on April 26, 2014, 04:48:21 PM
With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Levi Damien, SB Nation

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/4/24/5651116/with-coliseum-city-commitment-deadline-passed-raiders-wait-on-as

Remember the "Oakland Invaders"?  I wonder if Randy remembers that?  ....

http://youtu.be/mjgMhE9jc7w

Oh, of course I remember the Invaders. One of the firefighters I worked with back then had been a long-time Raiders season ticket holder.....back to the '60's I think....and when the Raiders moved to L.A., he got pissed off at Al Davis and bought Oakland Invaders season tickets and was a member of the Invaders booster club. I just couldn't do it. A bunch of other former Raiders fans in the FD jumped ship to the 49ers, since they won their first Superbowl right before the Raiders moved. I had Raiders season tickets in '80 and '81.....but I wasn't going to jump ship. I still have a few Los Angeles Raiders t-shirts in my drawer.

The Raiders last year before moving to LA, 1981.....the year the 49ers won the Superbowl......the Raiders went 7-9. They had a three game streak near the beginning of that season when they were shut out three straight games. That was the first time an NFL team had been shut out three consecutive games since the 1920's, when it happened to the New York Yankees football team.

The Raiders' first year in LA was the strike-shortened season, and the Raiders went 8-1 using "scab" players, with Vince Evans as their QB, remember him? That same year......the Superbowl Champion 49ers went 3-6 in the strike-shortened season. I won money from one of my 49er fan friends that year. We used to make a bet every year on who would have a better record between the Raiders and 49ers. He tried to weasel out of the bet by saying that "all bets are off" because of the strike. I didn't let him get away with it.
Title: Re: With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Post by: RAIDER MIKE on April 28, 2014, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: Randy



The Raiders didn't leave Oakland in '87...The Raiders were in L.A. for the 1982 through 1994 seasons. I know you must have just hit the wrong key when you typed that message, but just wanted to clarify that for people who might not know the right dates.
Well the title of the video said 1987 meaning they did the TV spot in 1987 ....So when I said this video is how Raider fans  felt back in 1987 means exactly what I said....I didn't say ....in 1987 is when the Raiders moved to L.A.
Title: RE: Raiders' move to LA in the '80s
Post by: Randy on April 29, 2014, 02:12:36 PM
Quote from: Randy



The Raiders didn't leave Oakland in '87...The Raiders were in L.A. for the 1982 through 1994 seasons. I know you must have just hit the wrong key when you typed that message, but just wanted to clarify that for people who might not know the right dates.
Well the title of the video said 1987 meaning they did the TV spot in 1987 ....So when I said this video is how Raider fans  felt back in 1987 means exactly what I said....I didn't say ....in 1987 is when the Raiders moved to L.A.

I thought that's probably what you meant Mike, but I just clairified it in case someone who doesn't know the history like you do might read where you said, "...HOW PEOPLE FELT AND VIEWED THE RAIDERS AFTER THEY LEFT BACK IN 1987".....and they might think it meant that they left in '87. It was kind of strange in that video how they showed the old abandoned practice field in Alameda, where a parking space still had Kenny Stabler's name on it in '87....even though he played for the Oilers in '80 and '81, the last two years the Raiders were in Oakland before moving to LA. The fact that Stabler had been feuding with Al Davis and was traded....and wasn't with the Raiders those last two years....I would have thought Al would have had Stabler's name painted over on that parking space.

I still have a snapshot I took in '81 with my camera, when I was standing in row 1 in front of the old bleachers at the Coliseum as the Raiders and Oilers were warming up for a game....and Stabler is standing there in his Oilers uniform talking to Bum Phillips....wearing his trademark cowboy hat.

When Al Davis traded Stabler to Houston, it was a straight across trade, QB for QB....Stabler for Dan Pastorini. I think he liked Pastorini's strong arm, for stretching the field, and he was 30 years old compared with Stabler at 34. That didn't work out too well. What did Pastorini play? Four games? Well, actually it did work out well in the end....when Pastorini broke his leg.  I had season tickets then...my first year. When his leg snapped, the crowd cheered because he hadn't done all that well and they wanted to see Jim Plunkett. Plunkett stepped in and led the Raiders to the Superbowl, and won it...as everyone knows. The "cinderella season" as they called it.

Thanks Mike. See you when the season starts!


Check out this old article I found about the trade:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19800315&id=Dc5HAAAAIBAJ&sjid=U38MAAAAIBAJ&pg=7270,3550763


Here's a couple more interesting articles I ran across that tell the story of what was happening with the Raiders back then:

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/30/sports/pastorini-is-itching-to-get-in-the-game.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1095212/
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: houston raider on April 29, 2014, 05:17:44 PM
I was fortunate to have Met Dan Pastorini...Dan told me that he was playing Pretty Good until he Got Hurt(against the Chiefs in Oakland).Some Raiders fans were Bitter that Al traded Ken Stabler to Houston. Stabler helped the Raiders Win their First Super Bowl. Alot Of Raider fans were upset with the trade and Never Embraced Pastorini. When Dan got hurt Alot of Raider fans Cheered-that was Low Class ! That Hurt Dan Alot. Plunkett came into the game and the Crowd Cheered. .Plunkett won games and Eventually The Raiders won the Super Bowl against the Eagles. There is a really Good Book on Jim Plunkett.-I checked it out from the library. Al got to a point where he didn't like Pastorini and Al treated Dan Not kindly and Pastorini was toast as far as Al was concerned(after the injury)Dan Felt that Al was Treating him badly during that time .I asked Dan about his Raider days and I could tell he wasn;t happy with Al Davis and the way some Raider fans treated him when he got injured .I asked him if he wore his Super Bowl ring and Dan said when he Got Injured it was Plunkett's team and that he Never wears that ring.
     Bobby Hebert was a qb with the Oakland invaders...and Raymond Chester and some Raiders were on the Invaders team .Bobby is on WWL radio in New Orleans(sportstalk 870 am).I listen to his shows when I can pick it up. Bobby mentioned that Fred Biletnikoff was the qb coach for the Invaders and when Bobby walked into the position room the room was filled with Fred's cigarette smoke and cig smoke from another position coach. Bobby also mentioned that when he played for the Saints that the fans sitting Directly behind their bench would yell all kind of profanities and throw stuff at them...Even old white hair grandmothers-flippin' them off and talking vile stuff. .even kids!...he said he Never experienced anything like this except the Oakland Coliseum...he was laughing about it...
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: houston raider on May 02, 2014, 03:15:52 PM
I believe that Al Davis was Guaranteed sellouts when he decided to move to Los Angeles .As you can see on old film footage there were about 30,000 EMPTY seats at The Los Angeles memorial Coliseum on game days .He was Also promised by Los Angeles officials that they would have Luxury Suites at the Coliseum built.This NEVER Happened.I am Told that The City Officials in Oakland promised and built what Raiders fans call MT Davis(Luxury seats/boxes),to bring the Raiders back to Oakland .I believe the citizens of Oakland paid for this.Can someone please tell me how much of the taxpayers money paid for MT Davis and how much of Al's money/private money went into financing MT Davis and the Oakland Coliseum?
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on May 02, 2014, 10:14:07 PM
I believe that Al Davis was Guaranteed sellouts when he decided to move to Los Angeles .As you can see on old film footage there were about 30,000 EMPTY seats at The Los Angeles memorial Coliseum on game days .He was Also promised by Los Angeles officials that they would have Luxury Suites at the Coliseum built.This NEVER Happened.I am Told that The City Officials in Oakland promised and built what Raiders fans call MT Davis(Luxury seats/boxes),to bring the Raiders back to Oakland .I believe the citizens of Oakland paid for this.Can someone please tell me how much of the taxpayers money paid for MT Davis and how much of Al's money/private money went into financing MT Davis and the Oakland Coliseum?

I don't know how much it cost.

I know they still have 100m to pay off of Mt Davis.

I've also heard (via twitter from someone who knows a Coliseum Maitenance worker) *take info with grain of salt* but Mt Davis has been deemed unsafe to use because of cracks in the beam.

So whilst the media beats up that Raiders has an attendance issue and has to utilise tarps.. the real reason Mt Davis has been closed off is it's a liability waiting to crumble. (It kind of makes perfect sense because the A's don't even open up Mt Davis for the ALDS)


Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RaiderWildeStyle on May 02, 2014, 10:17:09 PM
I believe that Al Davis was Guaranteed sellouts when he decided to move to Los Angeles .As you can see on old film footage there were about 30,000 EMPTY seats at The Los Angeles memorial Coliseum on game days .He was Also promised by Los Angeles officials that they would have Luxury Suites at the Coliseum built.This NEVER Happened.I am Told that The City Officials in Oakland promised and built what Raiders fans call MT Davis(Luxury seats/boxes),to bring the Raiders back to Oakland .I believe the citizens of Oakland paid for this.Can someone please tell me how much of the taxpayers money paid for MT Davis and how much of Al's money/private money went into financing MT Davis and the Oakland Coliseum?

I don't know how much it cost.

I know they still have 100m to pay off of Mt Davis.

I've also heard (via twitter from someone who knows a Coliseum Maitenance worker) *take info with grain of salt* but Mt Davis has been deemed unsafe to use because of cracks in the beam.

So whilst the media beats up that Raiders has an attendance issue and has to utilise tarps.. the real reason Mt Davis has been closed off is it's a liability waiting to crumble. (It kind of makes perfect sense because the A's don't even open up Mt Davis for the ALDS)

Actually don't quote me on that last bit.

I just tried searching for the tweet & unfortunately no such luck.

But sounded legit reasoning why we supposedly have an attendance issue.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider Dee on May 15, 2014, 08:36:48 PM
Well ? 8)
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: RAIDERNITEMARE on May 25, 2014, 03:22:34 AM
It seems like the city Oakland doesn't really care if the Raiders stay in Oaktown....if they did they would of got a new stadium deal built already....if they keep putting it off the Raiders just might be gone by then all L.A. needs is a HELL YEAH by Mark Davis, BOOM a stadium is built....:-[
Title: New investor on board for Coliseum City Stadium project in Oakland
Post by: Randy on October 19, 2014, 03:21:35 AM
Oakland: New investor on board for Coliseum City
By Matthew Artz, Oakland Tribune

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_26754006/oakland-new-investor-board-coliseum-city
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Another Porter on May 02, 2015, 03:15:43 AM
I live in England and havent had the chance to attend a game in Oakland yet, but the Raiders, for me, belong in Oakland. I hope they find a way to stay. I wantdd to come over this yeaf but cant afford it as I'm getting married in New York on Monday.
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Raider G360 on March 19, 2016, 08:13:24 PM
I feel like the Raiders will be staying in Oakland. My guess on why the city of Oakland has been dragging their feet on a new stadium is that they want the Raiders to be a winning team first then, magically, the money to help build a new stadium will appear.

The Raiders will be a winning team this year (I'm predicting at least 11-5). I think the excitement surrounding their success early in the season will be a driving force in negotiations with the city of Oakland. Playoffs will also be a huge factor. I believe Oakland wants to see a football team that has a bright future, and right now that's the Raiders.
Title: Las Vegas stadium for Raiders gets unanimous approval, goes to governor's desk
Post by: Randy on September 16, 2016, 01:23:14 AM
LAS VEGAS -- A plan to build an NFL stadium in Las Vegas and lure the Raiders from Oakland crossed a major hurdle Thursday when a Nevada oversight committee voted unanimously to recommend $750 million in public funding for the project.


Raiders to Las Vegas? Stadium proposal clears major hurdle
http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-to-Las-Vegas-Stadium-proposal-clears-9226035.php

SNTIC unanimously recommends Raiders Las Vegas stadium funding
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2016/9/15/12933092/sntic-unanimously-approves-raiders-las-vegas-stadium-funding

Stadium plan to lure Raiders to Las Vegas passes vote
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000703280/article/stadium-plan-to-lure-raiders-to-las-vegas-passes-vote

Wayne Newton would try to buy a slice of Las Vegas Raiders
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/09/14/wayne-newton-would-try-to-by-a-slice-of-las-vegas-raiders/

Are Raiders closer to exit with Las Vegas approving new stadium?
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/09/15/raiders-future-hinges-on-las-vegas-vote-today/">Are Raiders closer to exit with Las Vegas approving new stadium?
Title: Ronnie Lott's investment group submits offer to buy Oakland Coliseum land
Post by: Randy on September 21, 2016, 04:40:24 AM
Investment group offers to purchase Coliseum, keep Raiders in Oakland

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/09/20/investment-group-offers-to-purchase-coliseum-keep-raiders-in-oakland/
Title: Mark Davis at Owners Meeting in New York today, pitching Las Vegas move
Post by: Randy on January 12, 2017, 03:28:41 AM
Raiders Las Vegas stadium financing secure, with or without Adelson investment
http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/stadium/raiders-las-vegas-stadium-financing-secure-or-without-adelson-investment

Mark Davis continues to pitch Raiders move to Las Vegas
http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Mark-Davis-continues-to-pitch-Raiders-move-to-10851758.php

NFL exec says Raiders making impressive progress toward move to Las Vegas
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/11/raiders-move-to-las-vegas-discussed-at-meeting-club-has-yet-to-file-for-relocation/

Report: NFL To Clear Path For Oakland Raiders To Move To Las Vegas
http://justblogbaby.com/2017/01/11/report-nfl-clear-path-oakland-raiders-las-vegas/

Yes, the Raiders may go to Las Vegas without Sheldon Adelson
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/11/yes-the-raiders-may-go-to-las-vegas-without-sheldon-adelson/

Report: NFL sees Oakland not salvageable for stadium, meeting today to clear a path for Raiders to Vegas
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/1/11/14235888/nfl-oakland-not-salvageable-stadium-meeting-clear-path-for-raiders-las-vegas

Four Owners Control the Oakland Raiders Relocation Fate
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/four-owners-control-oakland-raiders-125935525.html

Robert Kraft offers soft support of Raiders moving to Las Vegas
http://oak.247sports.com/Bolt/Robert-Kraft-offers-soft-support-of-Raiders-moving-to-Las-Vegas-50467288

VIDEO: How much longer will the Raiders stay in Oakland?
http://kron4.com/2017/01/10/video-how-much-longer-will-the-raiders-stay-in-oakland/

Future of Chargers, Raiders the focus of NFL meeting
http://www.pe.com/articles/long-822807-almost-san.html

Raiders relocation future gets serious this week at NFL meetings in New York
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/10/purdy-raiders-relocation-future-gets-serious-this-week-at-nfl-meetings-in-new-york/
 


Title: Raiders to file relocation papers to move from Oakland to Vegas
Post by: Randy on January 14, 2017, 01:25:56 PM
Raiders to file relocation papers to move from Oakland to Vegas
NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000773952/article/raiders-to-file-relocation-papers-to-move-from-oakland-to-vegas
Title: Raider officially file for relocation to Las Vegas
Post by: Randy on January 20, 2017, 03:11:17 AM
Raiders file paperwork for Las Vegas relocation
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/19/raiders-file-paperwork-for-las-vegas-relocation

Raiders file for relocation to Las Vegas
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/19/raiders-file-for-relocation-to-las-vegas

Just call them the Relocation Raiders now, in a slow-motion move that Oakland won't stop
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/19/purdy-just-call-them-the-relocation-raiders-now-in-a-stinky-slow-motion-move-to-las-vegas-that-oakland-wont-stop

Oakland Raiders file paperwork to relocate to Las Vegas
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18510214/oakland-raiders-file-paperwork-nfl-relocation-las-vegas

Oakland Raiders officially apply for relocation to Las Vegas
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/oakland-raiders-officially-apply-relocation-las-vegas

Happy Tuck Rule game anniversary: Raiders officially file for relocation
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/1/19/14326612/happy-tuck-rule-game-anniversary-raiders-officially-file-for-relocation

Five events that could derail the Raiders' move to Las Vegas
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/five-events-could-derail-raiders-move-las-vegas

Bay Area investors still working to keep Raiders in Oakland
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/jan/19/bay-area-investors-still-working-to-keep-raiders-i

Raiders filing for Las Vegas should be final straw to City of Oakland
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/19/raiders-filing-for-las-vegas

Oakland mayor issues statement regarding Raiders relocation
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/19/oakland-mayor-issues-statement-regarding-raiders-relocation

Nevada Governor: Raiders owner Mark Davis is 'a man of his word'
http://oak.247sports.com/Bolt/Nevada-Governor-Raiders-owner-Mark-Davis-is-a-man-of-his-word-50672565
Title: Have the Raiders plans for a Las Vegas stadium fallen apart?
Post by: Randy on February 01, 2017, 04:08:54 AM
ARTICLES

Raiders hopes for Las Vegas relocation could be crumbling
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/1/31/14455856/raiders-hopes-for-las-vegas-relocation-could-be-crumbling

Raiders lose another Las Vegas investor
http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-may-have-lost-another-Las-Vegas-investor-10897719.php

Could the latest Las Vegas complications finally nudge the Raiders to Santa Clara, at least temporarily?
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/31/could-the-latest-las-vegas-complications-finally-nudge-the-raiders-to-santa-clara-at-least-temporarily/

Reports: Goldman Sachs leaving proposed Raiders stadium deal
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/31/reports-goldman-sachs-leaving-proposed-raiders-stadium-deal/

Ronnie Lotts group continues campaign to keep Raiders in Oakland
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/31/ronnie-lotts-group-continues-campaign-to-keep-raiders-in-oakland/

No Adelson, No Goldman Sachs: Investment Bank Backs Out of Raiders Stadium Deal in Las Vegas
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sheldon-Adelson-Goldman-Sachs-Oakland-Raiders-Las-Vegas-Stadium-Deal-412303063.html

OAKLAND RAIDERS? LAS VEGAS RAIDERS? OTHER? ALL THINGS ARE CHAOS
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/oakland-raiders-las-vegas-raiders-other-all-things-are-chaos

Lott group issues statement after latest Las Vegas developments
http://oak.247sports.com/Bolt/Lott-group-issues-statement-after-latest-Las-Vegas-developments-50978949

Sources: Financial giant Goldman Sachs backs out of Raiders' stadium deal
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18594904/oakland-raiders-las-vegas-stadium-deal-loses-backing-goldman-sachs

Sheldon Adelson deeply disappointed in Raiders
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/30/sheldon-adelson-deeply-disappointed-in-raiders/

RAIDERS ISSUE STATEMENT AFTER ADELSON WITHDRAWS FROM VEGAS STADIUM
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/raiders-issue-statement-after-adelson-withdraws-vegas-stadium

What Sheldon Adelson pulling out of Las Vegas stadium means for Raiders
http://www.espn.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/17594/what-does-sheldon-adelson-pulling-out-of-las-vegas-stadium-for-raiders-mean



AUDIO

Bill Romanowski gives his thoughts on 95.7 The Game (with JT The Brick)
http://media.957thegame.com/a/118280489/bill-romanowski.htm

Joe Theisman gives his thoughts on media row with JT The Brick
http://media.957thegame.com/a/118280492/joe-theismann.htm?

Greg Papa - Afternoon Delight Hour One (Las Vegas Discussion at 36:52 into the hour)
http://media.957thegame.com/a/118282612/afternoon-delight-hour-1-1-31-17.htm?pageid=886596

John Ralston of the Nevada Independent with Damon Bruce
http://media.957thegame.com/a/118283924/jon-ralston.htm?

Art Spander with JT The Brick on media row
http://media.957thegame.com/a/118280487/art-spander.htm?

Raiders Talk podcast: Las Vegas deal in trouble and a Q&A with the listeners
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/31/raiders-talk-podcast-las-vegas-deal-in-trouble-and-a-qa-with-the-listeners/
Title: Raiders Las Vegas stadium plans still on track without Adelson and Goldman Sachs
Post by: Randy on February 13, 2017, 02:19:08 AM
Raiders Secure Financial Backing for Vegas Move Following Adelson Blow Out
https://www.casino.org/news/raiders-secure-financial-backing-vegas-move-following-adelson-blow

Las Vegas still leads the pack in pursuit of Raiders
http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/columns/ed-graney/las-vegas-still-leads-the-pack-pursuit-raiders

Raiding Taxpayers Pockets
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/articles/2017-02-27/subsidizing-new-raiders-stadium-in-las-vegas-is-a-bad-deal-for-taxpayers

Raiders President Marc Badain says financing for Las Vegas stadium won't be an issue
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18655281/raiders-president-marc-badain-says-financing-las-vegas-stadium-issue

Raiders president on Vegas move: We are not deterred
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/09/raiders-president-on-vegas-move-we-are-not-deterred/

Why Raiders are so confident about L.V. stadium financing
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/feb/10/raiders-assure-financing-for-stadium-will-be-secur/

JT the Brick on Las Vegas stadium situation - Friday Feb. 10th
http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/audio/JT_LasVegas_Stadium_Situation_021017.mp3 (http://www.raidernationpodcast.com/audio/JT_LasVegas_Stadium_Situation_021017.mp3)
Title: Raiders secure Las Vegas stadium funding from Bank of America - Vote in 3 weeks
Post by: Randy on March 07, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
Raiders line up Bank of America financing for Las Vegas stadium
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170306/raiders-line-up-bank-of-america-financing-for-las-vegas-stadium

Purdy: High-stakes drama with Raiders and Las Vegasso buckle up for a showdown NFL vote in three weeks
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/03/06/purdy-its-now-high-stakes-drama-with-raiders-and-las-vegas-so-buckle-up-for-a-showdown-nfl-vote-in-three-weeks/

Oakland mayor Libby Schaaf met with NFL owners about Raiders stadium
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/03/06/oakland-mayor-libby-schaaf-met-with-nfl-owners-about-raiders-stadium/
Title: Raiders relocation vote to probably happen Monday, March 27th
Post by: Randy on March 22, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Get ready, Las Vegas: All signs point to the Raiders winning relocation vote Monday
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/get-ready-las-vegas-all-signs-point-to-the-raiders-winning-relocation-vote-monday/

Report: Raiders Relocation Fee to be $325-375 Million
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/22/raiders-vegas-ante-325-375-million/

Oakland Raiders closing in on potential move to Las Vegas
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000794589/article/oakland-raiders-closing-in-on-potential-move-to-las-vegas

Owners may vote on Raiders proposed move next week
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18974779/vote-oakland-raiders-move-vegas-next-week

Report: NFL makes Raiders Las Vegas relocation fee more workable
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/3/22/15019684/report-nfl-makes-raiders-las-vegas-relocation-fee-more-workable

RAIDERS LEAVING OAKLAND BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH INTEREST IN THEM STAYING
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/raiders-leaving-oakland-because-not-enough-interest-them-staying
Title: Re: Stadium Issues
Post by: Fallom on May 15, 2017, 05:24:56 AM
Question is.. If the Raiders do move back to L.A, Do you do what half the fan base of the Raiders did 30 years ago & jump on the 49'ers bandwagon?

Lol bunch of bandwagoners.
Title: So far, no word on moving Raiders/Chargers game due to smoke, but SD offered
Post by: Randy on October 13, 2017, 01:57:51 PM
The mayor of San Diego has offered Qualcomm Stadium for this Sunday's Raiders/Chargers game. That would be interesting if it were to happen. I went on the Bolttalk.com website yesterday, out of curiosity. It was started by a couple of Chargers fans who started a podcast (BoltTalk Podcast) shortly after we started Raider Nation Podcast in 2005. When I went on there yesterday I listened to the beginning of their latest show, and it became obvious that they now root against the Chargers due to their move to Los Angeles. The wish more ill on the Chargers and the Spanos family, and they said they hope the Raiders crush the Chargers this weekend.   :)

Mayor Faulconer: SD willing to help NFL if Bolts-Raiders can't play in Oakland
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/sd-sp-chargers-san-diego-mayor-willing-to-help-oakland-with-stadium-if-need-be-for-nfl-game-20171012-story.html

BoltTalk.com
https://bolttalk.com/threads/raiders-game-reveals-depth-of-anti-spanos-sentiment-for-s-d-chargers-fans.30590/

Latest BoltTalk Podcast Episode:
https://bolttalk.com/threads/bolttalk-podcast-no-la-love.30572/