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Randy · « **Reply #615 on:** February 10, 2012, 09:50:58 PM »

Defensive Back Options to Replace Stanford Routt

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1061802-oakland-raiders-defensive-back-options-to-replace-recently-cut-stanford-routt

Raidersully · « **Reply #614 on:** February 10, 2012, 09:50:09 PM »

Quote from: RaiderWildeStyle on February 10, 2012, 07:36:20 PM

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Nnamdi was a great cornerback for the Raiders... But the statistics were flawed when Raiders propaganda stated that teams would only throw in his direction once or twice a game.

That flaw has been exposed when he goes to Philadelphia & gives up big plays.

The flaw was taking a primarily man to man coverage corner and putting him in a zone defense and expecting the same results. Along with making you offensive line coach you defensive coordinator, which is what Philly did. This is not basketball or Madden. You can't make a dream team and expect it work right away. A team needs to gel. Let's see what happens next year.

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The logic behind Nnamdi being such a good cornerback in Oakland is that he played a lot of his football during the Jamarcus Russell era, this lead to the Oakland Raiders football team trailing a lot in games as Russell failed to put points on the board & our opponents would go into the mentality of milking the clock with the run game(& instead of covering wide receivers he would switch to tackling runningbacks)

Nnamdi started from 2005-2010. Jadummy started in 2008. Was benched most of 2009 and released in 2010. And even if what you said was true. The teams that were beating us had to put points on the board, and I am sure they did it by passing the ball and TD passes. But not too many of them came at the expenses of Nnaamdi that is for sure. Teams that try and run out the clock do so when they have the lead well in hand.

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Stanford Routt has received unfair criticism ever since Nnamdi left because the Oakland Raiders 2011 team was a high octane offense that could put points on the board. the games in which we led this season by legitamate margins forcing our opponents to abandon the run & focus on the pass were (@DEN, @BUF, vNYJ, vCLE, vDEN, @SD, vMIN, vDET)... (I remember way more Raiders leads in the 2011 season then when the Raiders led on the scoreboard in 2010) ... Now Routt was payed a lot of dollars & I agree he is not worth that contract. But when did Nnamdi ever play that many games with his team leading on the scoreboard???

And how many times was Routt burned in this 2011 season? Well he allowed 9 touchdown catches last season, more than any other cornerback in the league. Not much of a number 1. Seems going to the air, more importantly throwing to Routt's side, was a better option. And how is the lackluster performance of teams coached by Norv Turner, Lane Kiffin, and Tom Cable Nnamdi's fault?

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But Nnamdi is overated & not even in the same breath as a guy like Darrell Revis (Nnamdi can stay with his man, but to pay him 17 million dollars for a season where in 2010 the dude couldn't even get a interception).

But how many TD's did he give up? INT's don't always equal wins. But giving up too many TD's does result in losing.

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I think it's unfair to say that Stanford Routt 4 INT's didn't mean shit because Stanford became the new Nnamdi in terms of opposing quarterbacks targeting the other cornerback (CJ, DVD) ... Stanford would of seen probably less then 30% of balls thrown in a cornerback direction & would of seen a lot more passing plays this year due to opponents trailing on scoreboard.

I think it's great he got those INT's. But that doesn't mean he earned his contract. This is the issue. It's performing to your contract. He didn't and was cut. That is how the NFL works. No different than when a player out plays his contract and wants a new one. I can't see why they would not have asked Routt to restructure. So if they did and he said no, than this was the best option.

And when he got his 30% he gave up 9 TD's. More than ANY OTHER CB THIS YEAR!

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Stanford was a far-better playmaker then Nnamdi ever will be. The Raiders could of easily been 7-9 because as I remember Stanford Routt had a clutch pick in the 4th quarter of that Minesota game, did he not?

So he has one INT that you can remember and that means he should get a $54 million dollar contract? And that one INT makes him better than a CB than Nnamdi? I don't follow your logic at all. By the way, Nnamdi had two INT's this year. And that was with anew team and new defensive scheme.

Raidersully · « **Reply #613 on:** February 10, 2012, 09:17:42 PM »

Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on February 10, 2012, 01:20:37 PM

"Now that Al is gone players will come ..." WTF? Why? I mean teams won't even give us permission to talk to assistant coaches about hiring a DC...I mean come on! People won't come until we win! Period! And watching the moves were making indicates REBUILD!...what does that mean? Means 7-8 wins at very best! If you think MORE wins your fucking begging like a child on X-Mas Eve! Ain't going to happen.... IF you think for a second that Gregg take a Knapp will have what it takes under pressure to lead us to a SB...you need to put the crack pipe down and detox! Cause when you put the reality glasses on....this team is becoming a expansion team now!...no one knows what to expect but the real Experts who I'd say 95% of time are 100% accurate is Las Vegas...they have us at 100 to 1 to win the SB...so please no Super Star is going to flee to The Raiders just cause Al passed away...they have a washed up QB with 3 years left at best of quality of QB play from 32 year old Palmer....so let's watch our house burn down and sing that 80's song "Burning Down the house"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent from my iPhone bitch!

This team needs a rebuild. If you think this team was on it's way to a Super Bowl you are the one that needs to detox. We have been screaming for years to get a GM. We got one. One that came with VERY high praise from many people all over the league and those who were trusted by Al Davis. Getting rid of a shitty CB who was on the Al Davis Scholarship Program is exactly why we needed a GM. Too many player were signed by Al with big money contracts that never earned it. This is a great message sent to the rest of the team.

And we are 60/1 odds to win the Super Bowl. Off course Vegas also had the Patri-rats at 3 point favorites. How did that work out?

RaiderWildeStyle · « **Reply #612 on:** February 10, 2012, 07:36:20 PM »

Quote from: Matty Raider on February 10, 2012, 09:05:09 AM

Of course it was about the money, $30 million for Routt...the contract was ridiculous and all of us knew it. You mentioned his 4 INTs, Routt's 4 picks mean dick...Nmandi SHUTDOWN the opposing team's #1 wideout game in and game out, there is no comparison...case closed...Routt blows...penalties are not OK for a CB you deem to be #1

Nnamdi was a great cornerback for the Raiders... But the statistics were flawed when Raiders propaganda stated that teams would only throw in his direction once or twice a game.

That flaw has been exposed when he goes to Philadelphia & gives up big plays.

The logic behind Nnamdi being such a good cornerback in Oakland is that he played a lot of his football during the Jamarcus Russell era, this lead to the Oakland Raiders football team trailing a lot in games as Russell failed to put points on the board & our opponents would go into the mentality of milking the clock with the run game(& instead of covering wide receivers he would switch to tackling runningbacks)

Stanford Routt has received unfair criticism ever since Nnamdi left because the Oakland Raiders 2011 team was a high octane offense that could put points on the board. the games in which we led this season by legitamate margins forcing our opponents to abandon the run & focus on the pass were (@DEN, @BUF, vNYJ, vCLE, vDEN, @SD, vMIN, vDET)... (I remember way more Raiders leads in the 2011 season then when the Raiders led on the scoreboard in 2010) ... Now Routt was payed a lot of dollars & I agree he is not worth that contract. But when did Nnamdi ever play that many games with his team leading on the scoreboard???

But Nnamdi is overated & not even in the same breath as a guy like Darrell Revis (Nnamdi can stay with his man, but to pay him 17 million dollars for a season where in 2010 the dude couldn't even get a interception).

I think it's unfair to say that Stanford Routt 4 INT's didn't mean shit because Stanford became the new Nnamdi in terms of opposing quarterbacks targeting the other cornerback (CJ, DVD) ... Stanford would of seen probably less then 30% of balls thrown in a cornerback direction & would of seen a lot more passing plays this year due to opponents trailing on scoreboard.

Stanford was a far-better playmaker then Nnamdi ever will be. The Raiders could of easily been 7-9 because as I remember Stanford Routt had a clutch pick in the 4th quarter of that Minesota game, did he not?

Raider Rodney · « **Reply #611 on:** February 10, 2012, 02:13:42 PM »

"To all the Al-guys....get on the bus or prepare to be ran over by it

thank you

Reggie McKenzie"

....Routt was later rumored to of had tire tracks across his chest

I love it, there are more corners out there that are cheaper and just a good as Routt

RAIDERNITEMARE · « **Reply #610 on:** February 10, 2012, 02:09:20 PM »

Al was very generous to his players...but his generousity didnt produce SuperBowl wins in the past 10 years...the easy money paydays for buffoonery effort are over...now players will earn their big money contracts...and yeah winning cures all, Change is sometimes hard to digest but needed to be done for so long!...Aint nothing we the fans can do about it but sit back and watch...

...GO RAIDERS!

RAIDER MIKE · « **Reply #609 on:** February 10, 2012, 01:20:37 PM »

"Now that Al is gone players will come ..." WTF? Why? I mean teams won't even give us permission to talk to assistant coaches about hiring a DC...I mean come on! People won't come until we win! Period! And watching the moves were making indicates REBUILD!...what does that mean? Means 7-8 wins at very best! If you think MORE wins your fucking begging like a child on X-Mas Eve! Ain't going to happen.... IF you think for a second that Gregg take a Knapp will have what it takes under pressure to lead us to a SB...you need to put the crack pipe down and detox! Cause when you put the reality glasses on....this team is becoming a expansion team now!...no one knows what to expect but the real Experts who I'd say 95% of time are 100% accurate is Las Vegas...they have us at 100 to 1 to win the SB...so please no Super Star is going to flee to The Raiders just cause Al passed away...they have a washed up QB with 3 years left at best of quality of QB play from 32 year old Palmer....so let's watch our house burn down and sing that 80's song "Burning Down the house"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent from my iPhone bitch!

R8ER · « **Reply #608 on:** February 10, 2012, 11:41:18 AM »

Quote from: Matty Raider on February 09, 2012, 10:45:39 PM

See ya Routt. Sorry potna you never played like a #1....u were a penalty machine anyway....when asked to renegotiate the contract he probably refused....so he was asked to leave. We will still have to pay him some nice coin but it puts the team on notice. These contracts are a mess. I love it. Coach Allen is getting Tracy Porter in here from the Saints...believe it

I am on the same thought as well! Players that see that Al is no longer in control will be more open to come to Oak Town!

R8ER · « **Reply #607 on:** February 10, 2012, 11:39:24 AM »

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Of course it was about the money, $30 million for Routt...the contract was ridiculous and all of us knew it. You mentioned his 4 INTs, Routt's 4 picks mean dick...Nmandi SHUTDOWN the opposing team's #1 wideout game in and game out, there is no comparison...case closed...Routt blows...penalties are not OK for a CB you deem to be #1

As for our secondary, do you honestly believe that McKenzie and Allen are going to roll with DVD and Lito for our starting CBs?? Give me a break dude

LOTS of personnel changes coming...get rid of these underachieving shitbirds

Agreed! Good comment!

Matty Raider · « **Reply #606 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:45:26 AM »

Quote from: raider kyle on February 10, 2012, 09:10:30 AM

Quote from: Matty Raider on February 10, 2012, 09:05:09 AM
Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on February 10, 2012, 04:33:11 AM
SMDH at this move but I guess CB's are growing on trees around the NFL...our secondary would of been 10 times worse without Routt.... he's got 4 INTs in 2011 that's 3 more than Nnamdi had his entire career as a Raider...the penalties? Fuck!...we set a world record as a team for penalties...so wtf does that have anything to do with anything....the only logical reason is money...he was way over paid for performance...but I'm sure he'd restructure...he did with Seymour right before the season to make room in cap to sign Kevin Boss ...So don't think he wouldn't of restructured...this move feels risky our secondary already blew dogs for quarters now we have washed up CB in Sheppard and CJ and a raw young one in DVD....again like I said before this year started.. Losing Oz was the worst thing that ever happened to this team! CB's don't grow on trees! ....It's the pinnacle on winning and losing....IF We had Oz we'd had won 3 more games easily this year!

Sent from my iPhone bitch!

Of course it was about the money, $30 million for Routt...the contract was ridiculous and all of us knew it. You mentioned his 4 INTs, Routt's 4 picks mean dick...Nmandi SHUTDOWN the opposing team's #1 wideout game in and game out, there is no comparison...case closed...Routt blows...penalties are not OK for a CB you deem to be #1

As for our secondary, do you honestly believe that McKenzie and Allen are going to roll with DVD and Lito for our starting CBs?? Give me a break dude

LOTS of personnel changes coming...get rid of these underachieving shitbirds
He may blow but WHO ELSE WE FUCKING GOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O yeahs thats right NO ONE

Calm down it's the 2nd week of February for chrissakes

Raider Frank · « **Reply #605 on:** February 10, 2012, 09:49:29 AM »

If these are the BIG changes that everyone is talking about.
GET ON WITH IT!

Some of the salaries the Raiders have traditionally given out have been whack alright.
Routt was a decent player but not a top 5 CB.
He'll probably get a big paycheck with another team but not a similar contract.
Some of the other Raiders players have to be thinking soooo long and they won’t be making that kind of money anywhere else.

I just hope that Mackenzie doesn’t get to the point where he is just cutting and cutting and getting journeymen to fill the most critical spots. SOMETIMES you do have to pay to get that player who can make a difference.

GO Raiders
Raider Frank

raider kyle · « **Reply #604 on:** February 10, 2012, 09:10:30 AM »

Quote from: Matty Raider on February 10, 2012, 09:05:09 AM

Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on February 10, 2012, 04:33:11 AM
SMDH at this move but I guess CB's are growing on trees around the NFL...our secondary would of been 10 times worse without Routt.... he's got 4 INTs in 2011 that's 3 more than Nnamdi had his entire career as a Raider...the penalties? Fuck!...we set a world record as a team for penalties...so wtf does that have anything to do with anything....the only logical reason is money...he was way over paid for performance...but I'm sure he'd restructure...he did with Seymour right before the season to make room in cap to sign Kevin Boss ...So don't think he wouldn't of restructured...this move feels risky our secondary already blew dogs for quarters now we have washed up CB in Sheppard and CJ and a raw young one in DVD....again like I said before this year started.. Losing Oz was the worst thing that ever happened to this team! CB's don't grow on trees! ....It's the pinnacle on winning and losing....IF We had Oz we'd had won 3 more games easily this year!

Sent from my iPhone bitch!

Of course it was about the money, $30 million for Routt...the contract was ridiculous and all of us knew it. You mentioned his 4 INTs, Routt's 4 picks mean dick...Nmandi SHUTDOWN the opposing team's #1 wideout game in and game out, there is no comparison...case closed...Routt blows...penalties are not OK for a CB you deem to be #1

As for our secondary, do you honestly believe that McKenzie and Allen are going to roll with DVD and Lito for our starting CBs?? Give me a break dude

LOTS of personnel changes coming...get rid of these underachieving shitbirds

He may blow but WHO ELSE WE FUCKING GOT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O yeahs thats right NO ONE

Matty Raider · « **Reply #603 on:** February 10, 2012, 09:05:09 AM »

Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on February 10, 2012, 04:33:11 AM

SMDH at this move but I guess CB's are growing on trees around the NFL...our secondary would of been 10 times worse without Routt.... he's got 4 INTs in 2011 that's 3 more than Nnamdi had his entire career as a Raider...the penalties? Fuck!...we set a world record as a team for penalties...so wtf does that have anything to do with anything....the only logical reason is money...he was way over paid for performance...but I'm sure he'd restructure...he did with Seymour right before the season to make room in cap to sign Kevin Boss ...So don't think he wouldn't of restructured...this move feels risky our secondary already blew dogs for quarters now we have washed up CB in Sheppard and CJ and a raw young one in DVD....again like I said before this year started.. Losing Oz was the worst thing that ever happened to this team! CB's don't grow on trees! ....It's the pinnacle on winning and losing....IF We had Oz we'd had won 3 more games easily this year!

Sent from my iPhone bitch!

Of course it was about the money, $30 million for Routt...the contract was ridiculous and all of us knew it. You mentioned his 4 INTs, Routt's 4 picks mean dick...Nmandi SHUTDOWN the opposing team's #1 wideout game in and game out, there is no comparison...case closed...Routt blows...penalties are not OK for a CB you deem to be #1

As for our secondary, do you honestly believe that McKenzie and Allen are going to roll with DVD and Lito for our starting CBs?

? Give me a break dude

LOTS of personnel changes coming...get rid of these underachieving shitbirds

RAIDER MIKE · « **Reply #602 on:** February 10, 2012, 04:33:11 AM »

SMDH at this move but I guess CB's are growing on trees around the NFL...our secondary would of been 10 times worse without Routt.... he's got 4 INTs in 2011 that's 3 more than Nnamdi had his entire career as a Raider...the penalties? Fuck!...we set a world record as a team for penalties...so wtf does that have anything to do with anything....the only logical reason is money...he was way over paid for performance...but I'm sure he'd restructure...he did with Seymour right before the season to make room in cap to sign Kevin Boss ...So don't think he wouldn't of restructured...this move feels risky our secondary already blew dogs for quarters now we have washed up CB in Sheppard and CJ and a raw young one in DVD....again like I said before this year started.. Losing Oz was the worst thing that ever happened to this team! CB's don't grow on trees! ....It's the pinnacle on winning and losing....IF We had Oz we'd had won 3 more games easily this year!

Sent from my iPhone bitch!

Matty Raider · « **Reply #601 on:** February 09, 2012, 10:45:39 PM »

See ya Routt. Sorry potna you never played like a #1....u were a penalty machine anyway....when asked to renegotiate the contract he probably refused....so he was asked to leave. We will still have to pay him some nice coin but it puts the team on notice. These contracts are a mess. I love it. Coach Allen is getting Tracy Porter in here from the Saints...believe it

NCRaider · « **Reply #600 on:** February 09, 2012, 09:07:10 PM »

Quote from: raider kyle on February 09, 2012, 08:56:16 PM

Quote from: NCRaider on February 09, 2012, 08:49:24 PM
Quote from: raider kyle on February 09, 2012, 06:38:50 PM
You guys don't think Routt is good, but what the fuck who the fuck are we going to replace him with, Lito? Some piece of shit cornerback from the fucking 5th round? Here we go again, another good free agency. I know he was way over payed but we just don't have the picks to replace him.
Am I surprised he was cut after signing that huge deal last year? I am, but let's face it we paid him #1 corner Nnamdi money. Routt is not a #1 and more a #2. I think we all knew that and validated that with his play this yr. Plenty #2 corners that will be FA and can pay them #2 $. Routt cleared waivers so we could resign him to his actual worth.

Up next Seymour, wimbly, curry and Kelly?

New sheriff in town and his name is Reggie Hammond!(Eddie Murphy voice).
Yeah I wanted him to be cut or restructured but not now we just can't replace him unless we get someone off free angency but we don't have a pick til the 5th round and we can't lose a lot of people this yet unless we et someone to replace them off free agentcy.

I hear ya. What about Finnegan from the Titans. He's a FA. Not saying we go after him, but his body of work is better then Routt's, and at a cheaper price most likely than what we were paying him.

Raider Greg · « **Reply #599 on:** February 09, 2012, 09:06:17 PM »

Quote from: NCRaider on February 09, 2012, 08:49:24 PM

Quote from: raider kyle on February 09, 2012, 06:38:50 PM
You guys don't think Routt is good, but what the fuck who the fuck are we going to replace him with, Lito? Some piece of shit cornerback from the fucking 5th round? Here we go again, another good free agency. I know he was way over payed but we just don't have the picks to replace him.
Am I surprised he was cut after signing that huge deal last year? I am, but let's face it. We paid him #1 corner Nnamdi money. Routt is not a #1, more a #2. I think we all knew that and validated that with his play this yr. Plenty #2 corners that will be FA and can pay them #2 $. Routt cleared waivers so we could resign him to his actual worth.

Up next Seymour, Wimbley, Curry and Kelly?

New sheriff in town and his name is Reggie Hammond! (Eddie Murphy voice).

This is how the Big Boys do it!!!!!! We have many changes coming and that's what this team needs.........Routt most likely did not want to restructure.....Sooooooooo.....Time to go. Love this mentality....... Shows the rest of the team that production is the name of the game...... I'm Stoked!

raider kyle · « **Reply #598 on:** February 09, 2012, 08:56:16 PM »

Quote from: NCRaider on February 09, 2012, 08:49:24 PM

Quote from: raider kyle on February 09, 2012, 06:38:50 PM
You guys don't think Routt is good, but what the fuck who the fuck are we going to replace him with, Lito? Some piece of shit cornerback from the fucking 5th round? Here we go again, another good free agency. I know he was way over payed but we just don't have the picks to replace him.
Am I surprised he was cut after signing that huge deal last year? I am, but let's face it. We paid him #1 corner Nnamdi money. Routt is not a #1, more a #2. I think we all knew that and validated that with his play this yr. Plenty #2 corners that will be FA and can pay them #2 $. Routt cleared waivers so we could resign him to his actual worth.

Up next Seymour, Wimbley, Curry and Kelly?

New sheriff in town and his name is Reggie Hammond! (Eddie Murphy voice).

Yeah I wanted him to be cut or restructured, but not now. We just can't replace him, unless we get someone off free agency, but we don't have a pick til the 5th round and we can't lose a lot of people. Unless we get someone to replace them through free agency.

NCRaider · « **Reply #597 on:** February 09, 2012, 08:49:24 PM »

Quote from: raider kyle on February 09, 2012, 06:38:50 PM

You guys don't think Routt is good, but what the fuck who the fuck are we going to replace him with, Lito? Some piece of shit cornerback from the fucking 5th round? Here we go again, another good free agency. I know he was way over payed but we just don't have the picks to replace him.

Am I surprised he was cut after signing that huge deal last year? I am, but let's face it. We paid him #1 corner Nnamdi money. Routt is not a #1, more a #2. I think we all knew that and validated that with his play this yr. Plenty #2 corners that will be FA and can pay them #2 $. Routt cleared waivers so we could resign him to his actual worth.

Up next Seymour, Wimbley, Curry and Kelly?

New sheriff in town and his name is Reggie Hammond! (Eddie Murphy voice).

RaiderWildeStyle · « **Reply #596 on:** February 09, 2012, 08:33:22 PM »

Randy...

Can you explain how gaurenteed money works against the cap?

my understanding with routts 20mil gaurenteed over 5 years meaning we have 4 more years of a cap hit of 4 million.

20mil divided by 5 years = 4 mil a year.

So if Routt was getting a salary of 5 mil this year. We are only saving a million dollars cap space?

Its all too confusing for this raider fan.

raider kyle · « **Reply #595 on:** February 09, 2012, 06:38:50 PM »

You guys don't think Routt is good, but what the fuck who the fuck are we going to replace him with, Lito? Some piece of shit cornerback from the fucking 5th round? Here we go again, another good free agency. I know he was way over payed but we just don't have the picks to replace him.

Raider_D · « **Reply #594 on:** February 09, 2012, 06:12:17 PM »

Quote from: Raider Bob from Knoxville on February 09, 2012, 05:52:19 PM

Quote from: NCRaider on February 09, 2012, 05:42:16 PM
Raiders have released CB S. Routt? Wow!

Evidently Reggie has plans. Routt was good but no as good as the money we were paying him. Do we still have to pay him since we just let him go or does it depend on if someone picks him up? Anyways, he has to have a plan for us if he is making moves like this. Maybe getting more draft picks, or in a dream scenario BRINGING MR ASO BACK!!!!!!!!!!

Wow is right! Now we can afford to pay the rest of the team
Over paid SOB! Huff is next....Allen is an A&M guy...you know he hates Texas and 1st rd busts.. double whammy!
So what now? Any speculation?

RaiderNik · « **Reply #593 on:** February 09, 2012, 06:10:24 PM »

I wasn't expecting that one. Can't say i was a fan of Routt, overrated by many and definitely overpaid.

Raider Bob from Knoxville · « **Reply #592 on:** February 09, 2012, 05:52:19 PM »

Quote from: NCRaider on February 09, 2012, 05:42:16 PM

Raiders have released CB S. Routt? Wow!

Wow is right! Now we can afford to pay the rest of the team

Over paid SOB! Huff is next....Allen is an A&M guy...you know he hates Texas and 1st rd busts.. double whammy!
So what now? Any speculation?

NCRaider · « **Reply #591 on:** February 09, 2012, 05:42:16 PM »

Raiders have released CB S. Routt? Wow!

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/McKenzie-shows-prowess-in-showing-Routt-?blockID=648452&feedID=2539

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19931059

http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_19931060

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/02/09/sports/s150239S52.DTL

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/02/09/raiders.cut.routt.ap/

http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/8175.html

http://justblogbaby.com/2012/02/09/reggie-mckenzie-cleaning-house-raiders-release-stanford-routt/

Randy · « **Reply #590 on:** February 05, 2012, 03:11:03 AM »

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/4/2771085/thomas-howard-explains-the-reasons-behind-the-2011-turnaround

Randy · « **Reply #589 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:21:46 PM »

No fewer than 4 and no more than 7 will be inducted. Tim Brown is in the final 17.

Eddie DeBartolo Jr., Charles Haley and Tim Brown among Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19886980

Hall of Fame quest continues for Tim Brown
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4689926/tim-browns-quest-for-the-hall-of-fame

Randy · « **Reply #588 on:** February 03, 2012, 02:29:38 AM »

http://www.todaysthv.com/sports/hogzone/article/193862/189/NFL-running-back-former-Razorback-in-Little-Rock

Randy · « **Reply #587 on:** February 02, 2012, 05:09:48 PM »

NFL Analysis: Time for Oakland Raiders to Trade Darren McFadden?

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/nfl/nfl-analysis-time-oakland-raiders-trade-darren-mcfadden

da_AZN_PErsuAZN · « **Reply #586 on:** January 31, 2012, 10:55:35 PM »

Alrightee people! Mckenzie's style is build thru the draft. Unfortunately we dont have a whole lot of picks! Coach Allen knows we got the right people to take this team to the next level! Discipline and accountability is lacking(as most of us have been saying for years)..something Hue-Jack failed to instill in his time here. To dismantle a core group of young and up-and-coming players just to get draft picks(God knows if these picks will even work out in the pro-ranks) is insane and only brings us to square one! I dont think MKenzie and Allen is that OFF! A couple of free agents and some sound coaching can bring/take this Raider team to post-season action! I BELIEVE! HELL YEAH I'M IN! Give a whole off-season to Carson Palmer and our WR corps, and you can bet they'll be in sinc! Key words here guys - Discipline & Accountability!

RaiderWildeStyle · « **Reply #585 on:** January 30, 2012, 02:50:36 PM »

Quote from: Matty Raider on January 30, 2012, 09:50:01 AM

I don't get your point man. Okayyyyyyyyy so Green Bay's D sucked this season. So now it is not about the "good wrap from Ron Wolf" and "Ted Thompson & Mike McCarthy ship", that is entirely McKenzie's fault? According to his bio, McKenzie has been involved in drafting Packers players since 1994. They have won 2 Super Bowls, seven division titles, and three conference championships since that time. I completely disagree that that success is entirely due to Favre and Rodgers.

Why are you hating on him so bad?

So the 2011 Packer Defense and selections of Clay Matthews & AJ Hawk makes Reggie Mckenzie unqualified to be a GM for our team?

For the record my friend I never said it was entirely due to Favre & Rodgers but I did say that great quarterbacking hides decencies on the rest of the team.

I am just critical on the Reggie McKenzie hiring because his first move was an absolute dud (in my honest opinion)

Why the hell did he go out and get a rookie coach who'd become the youngest HC in the league???

I understand the whole High Risk/High Reward scenario with getting the unknown commodity, but Rookie HC need grooming if they want to become the next Gruden/Madden ect.

I just don't see Al Davis walking down that hallway to groom Dennis Allen... There is no one in this Raiders organization to do so.

Reggie McKenzie is a scout..He is not a coach who can provide X&O's advice to Dennis.

You can ask most people around these traps that each offseason I've been a kool aid type of guy... But not this offseason... I see the writing on the wall & we will be taking major steps back (towards a 6-10/7-9 campaign) before we make a move to the playoffs.

PLEASE NOTE: I'm looking fwd to seeing this press conference today... Hopefully Reggie McKenzie/Dennis Allen might say something to twist my arm & get me back on this belief bandwagon... But until then (actions speaking louder then words) I will remain critical to the direction of this organization with such a inexperience at our GM/HC positions

HELLRAIDER · « **Reply #584 on:** January 30, 2012, 01:44:38 PM »

I will be patient for now..........but I am concerned with the defense.........we simply dont have the talent on D to win..........Romanowski said so himself............and we dont have any draft picks to replace the crap with new talent on D either................We also have some big choices to make as far as free agency goes........Michael Bush is #1............if he goes somewhere else then we are done...........Mcfadden will get hurt and we will be screwed like he has every year he has played................I dont know the cap space situation yet either so I am not sure what is going to happen as far as bringing in other good free agents.............you simply dont win through free agency though.....you build through the draft and we wont have one this year which is why I can guarantee the departures of some of our talent in order to get picks.......................damn!!!!!!!!!!

Raider Greg · « **Reply #583 on:** January 30, 2012, 11:32:15 AM »

Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on January 30, 2012, 12:01:56 AM

I really wish I could lie and say we'll be better next year! But I just can't bring myself to lie to myself anymore! We've been saying "move on and give the new HC a chance" the last 6 of 7 years! I'm done sounding like a cult follower that keeps drinking the kool aid and try to start looking at our team in a real light in the real football world!...I mean you don't hear experts or other respected players saying "Wow the Raiders just hired Dennis Allen ....look out they'll be a contender" instead you hear talking heads say..."Well it's a good hire and fit" blah blah....but no fear just....good hire! .....Now if the Raiders hired Jon Gruden I guarantee the media and football world would be scared shitless! .....Just look at the 2 SB teams that'll play in a week! They have 2 Elite QB's with Elite coaches! It's been that way the last 10 SB champions!.... Other than GB and PITT having solid franchises ran the right way last 20 years...it IS possible a respected no-name can come in and have success in well established franchise!.... But come on this the Raiders a team that always is against it!.... We just hired a no name rookie coach AGAIN! ....We have a GM that's basically interviewing Candidates for HC that were re-tread non proven guys!... This is the pattern we will follow?...Name one team that has hired a Rookie GM and Rookie HC and went on too the Playoffs that year or win the SB! ....I can't remember 1! ....Let me put it this way! ....If all of you are so confident we'll make the playoffs...I dare you to bet 1 full paycheck or unemployment check whichever applies...that Dennis Allen will coach us to the playoffs next year! ... I bet no one takes that bet! ...Why? ....Cause every one is a big man until the bet comes out! .... Like I said we could of lost as many games as we won!... Now if we make HUGE moves for BIG name players i might change my stance....but its Just my opinion thou like that matters.... I'm just a crazy fan that has no brain huh?

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MIKE.... You are a GREAT fan...... A fan that any team would be lucky to have...BUT THEY DONT! The Raiders do and thats one of the BEST things about our fan Base! Dude your not stupid or overboard..... Your Raider Mike....Full of valid concerns and are not afraid to tell anyone about them......That being said.... We have ALL seen the new coaches and retreads march into Alameda and Rant about "The greatness of the Raiders Blah..Blah....Blah..... We ALL are sick of it! The media is ALWAYS clueless as to whats best for us...The so called Experts are wrong most of the time.... So I just say this....."WE NEED TO STAY POSITIVE IN THAT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE....WE HAVE A BUNCH OF GREAT TALENT..... NOW A NEW COACH AND GM.... NO ONE KNOWS HOW GOOD THEY ARE.... BUT ITS BETTER THAN BRINGING IN A COACH AND NOT LETTING HIM HIRE HIS OWN STAFF AS AL USED TO...... THINGS ARE ABOUT TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER...... OUR GM IS A GUY THAT FINDS TALENT AWAY FROM THE LIMELIGHT....... CHEEPER AND BETTER AS THEY WANT TO PLAY.... I SEE NOTHING BUT UPSIDE.... AS A RAIDER FAN ITS A BREATH OF FRESH AIR IN A VERY STALE PLACE...... LETS LET THIS COACH AND GM GET THERE FIRST SEASON UNDER WAY THEN......... WE CAN TAR AND FETHER THEM IF THINGS DONT WORK OUT....... I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE WITH THE BUCKET OF TAR..... YOU CAN BE ON THAT BRO.....

Matty Raider · « **Reply #582 on:** January 30, 2012, 09:50:01 AM »

Quote from: RaiderWildeStyle on January 30, 2012, 02:20:43 AM

Quote from: Matty Raider on January 29, 2012, 06:59:32 PM

Reggie may be a "rookie" GM but he has been influential in building the Packers for the last 10 years. Where have we been in the last 10 years? We have been a joke. A laughingstock franchise.

Reggie got a good wrap from Ron Wolf ect.. But do we really know how influential he was in Packer Organization?

It's Ted Thompson & Mike McCarthy ship... Those 2 have been blessed from having the 2nd best "Transitional QB" scenario (Favre to Rodgers) in the history of the NFL, with Montana to Young being no.1.

Good Quarterbacking play can hide a lot of deficiencies on a team... Green Bay was horrible this season on Defense Apart form BJ Raji & Clay Matthews, who else is good on that Packers D??? Charles Woodson - yeah well he's a Al Davis player... Selecting Clay Matthews and claiming him to be a good draft pick doesn't make you a good scout... Clay has father/son pedigree so a lot of NFL teams would of drafted him (had they had the chance) because you see a player in the mould of his father.

I'd like to also bring up another Packers bust on Defense and that is AJ Hawk.. He was selected with the 5th pick in the draft and has been such a disappointment.

I guess Raider nation who been bitching for years about Al Davis should hire a GM are about to be in for a reality shock with all this puppy love going on with our new rookie combo of GM/COACH. Worst thing is there's been fans saying "Hurry Up & Die Al" for the last 5 years, well they going to want to take their words back.

I don't get your point man. Okayyyyyyyyy so Green Bay's D sucked this season. So now it is not about the "good wrap from Ron Wolf" and "Ted Thompson & Mike McCarthy ship", that is entirely McKenzie's fault? According to his bio, McKenzie has been involved in drafting Packers players since 1994. They have won 2 Super Bowls, seven division titles, and three conference championships since that time. I completely disagree that that success is entirely due to Favre and Rodgers.

Why are you hating on him so bad?

So the 2011 Packer Defense and selections of Clay Matthews & AJ Hawk makes Reggie Mckenzie unqualified to be a GM for our team?

RaiderWildeStyle · « **Reply #581 on:** January 30, 2012, 02:20:43 AM »

Quote from: Matty Raider on January 29, 2012, 06:59:32 PM

Reggie may be a "rookie" GM but he has been influential in building the Packers for the last 10 years. Where have we been in the last 10 years? We have been a joke. A laughingstock franchise.

Reggie got a good wrap from Ron Wolf ect.. But do we really know how influential he was in Packer Organization?

It's Ted Thompson & Mike McCarthy ship... Those 2 have been blessed from having the 2nd best "Transitional QB" scenario (Favre to Rodgers) in the history of the NFL, with Montana to Young being no.1.

Good Quarterbacking play can hide a lot of deficiencies on a team... Green Bay was horrible this season on Defense Apart form BJ Raji & Clay Matthews, who else is good on that Packers D??? Charles Woodson - yeah well he's a Al Davis player... Selecting Clay Matthews and claiming him to be a good draft pick doesn't make you a good scout... Clay has father/son pedigree so a lot of NFL teams would of drafted him (had they had the chance) because you see a player in the mould of his father.

I'd like to also bring up another Packers bust on Defense and that is AJ Hawk.. He was selected with the 5th pick in the draft and has been such a disappointment.

I guess Raider nation who been bitching for years about Al Davis should hire a GM are about to be in for a reality shock with all this puppy love going on with our new rookie combo of GM/COACH. Worst thing is there's been fans saying "Hurry Up & Die Al" for the last 5 years, well they going to want to take their words back.

RAIDER MIKE · « **Reply #580 on:** January 30, 2012, 12:01:56 AM »

I really wish I could lie and say we'll be better next year! But I just can't bring myself to lie to myself anymore! We've been saying "move on and give the new HC a chance" the last 6 of 7 years! I'm done sounding like a cult follower that keeps drinking the kool aid and try to start looking at our team in a real light in the real football world!...I mean you don't hear experts or other respected players saying "Wow the Raiders just hired Dennis Allen ....look out they'll be a contender" instead you hear talking heads say..."Well it's a good hire and fit" blah blah....but no fear just....good hire! .....Now if the Raiders hired Jon Gruden I guarantee the media and football world would be scared shitless! .....Just look at the 2 SB teams that'll play in a week! They have 2 Elite QB's with Elite coaches! It's been that way the last 10 SB champions!.... Other than GB and PITT having solid franchises ran the right way last 20 years...it IS possible a respected no-name can come in and have success in well established franchise!.... But come on this the Raiders a team that always is against it!.... We just hired a no name rookie coach AGAIN! ....We have a GM that's basically interviewing Candidates for HC that were re-tread non proven guys!... This is the pattern we will follow?...Name one team that has hired a Rookie GM and Rookie HC and went on too the Playoffs that year or win the SB! ....I can't remember 1! ....Let me put it this way! ....If all of you are so confident we'll make the playoffs...I dare you to bet 1 full paycheck or unemployment check whichever applies...that Dennis Allen will coach us to the playoffs next year! ... I bet no one takes that bet! ...Why? ....Cause every one is a big man until the bet comes out! .... Like I said we could of lost as many games as we won!... Now if we make HUGE moves for BIG name players i might change my stance....but its Just my opinion thou like that matters.... I'm just a crazy fan that has no brain huh?

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Raider Greg · « **Reply #579 on:** January 29, 2012, 09:51:16 PM »

Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on January 29, 2012, 08:01:56 PM

Quote from: Matty Raider on January 29, 2012, 06:59:32 PM

Oh yeah, and Hue kept it together fantastically down the stretch when we were were 7-4 in Week 12. We REALLY lit it up in the last third of the season.

We got the DC from Denver, so that constitutes rebuilding ourselves in Denver's image???

Well, in my opinion, Denver actually played with some FUCKING HEART i

So Mike, if we are are successful in the next two years, I will look forward to Millernation blowing up your shit the same way you....

We got a GM who is respected around the league
First of all ....if you think for a second that ANY HC in the NFL could have handled it better as their first year as a HC with all the circumstances he dealt with.... Injuries to high profile players, losing the greatest Owner EVER that hired you! And the expectations of the Raider nation was alot to absorb and to actually be successful! Then You're high!

Hue deserved a second year period!

So you're saying Allen will do better than Hue? I mean let's get real. Al Saunders was a good point man as a assistant offensive coordinator, but on his own in this era...he sucks!

When EVER has Al hired a coach from the Denver Broncos? I mean he's talking of bringing more guys from Denver...if that's true doesn't that fall into the same thing as RM hiring all Packers staff and become the Oakland Packers...instead he went the Oakland Bronco route.

Now Denver did play with heart 'cause the world was against them with teabag! Now let's get one thing straight...IF Teabag loses 3 of those 4 OT wins in their 7 game winning streak! Dennis Allen's defense isn't even talked about! It wasn't like they were shutting out teams, they had a nice run but doesn't mean SHiT ...heart don't win SB's! Players and coaches do! ...Last time Dennis Allen coached a game that mattered, his scheme yielded 6 TD passes! The Raven Defense allowed 0 passing TD's the next week! What does that tell you about their heart or their scheme? NOTHING!

At least I'll take it like a man if I am wrong! Unlike gutless Millernation and spin shit to hide behind failing!

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ITS OVER!!! JACKSON IS GONE AND WE HAVE A NEW COACH AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.... A NEW GM..... WE HAD A TEAM FULL OF TALENT THAT WAS NOT USED WELL BY "THAT COACH"..... NO MATTER..... THAT'S HISTORY AND WE NOW HAVE A CHANCE TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE RAIDER WAY OF DOING BUSINESS...... 9 SEASONS OF LOSING... I'M DONE AND LOOK FORWARD TO A NEW RAIDERS........ AND ALL THAT MEANS...... PLAYOFFS IN 2012

RAIDER MIKE · « **Reply #578 on:** January 29, 2012, 08:01:56 PM »

Quote from: Matty Raider on January 29, 2012, 06:59:32 PM

Oh yeah, and Hue kept it together fantastically down the stretch when we were were 7-4 in Week 12. We REALLY lit it up in the last third of the season.

We got the DC from Denver, so that constitutes rebuilding ourselves in Denver's image???

Well, in my opinion, Denver actually played with some FUCKING HEART i

So Mike, if we are are successful in the next two years, I will look forward to Millernation blowing up your shit the same way you....

We got a GM who is respected around the league

First of all ....if you think for a second that ANY HC in the NFL could have handled it better as their first year as a HC with all the circumstances he dealt with.... Injuries to high profile players, losing the greatest Owner EVER that hired you! And the expectations of the Raider nation was alot to absorb and to actually be successful! Then You're high!

Hue deserved a second year period!

So you're saying Allen will do better than Hue? I mean let's get real. Al Saunders was a good point man as a assistant offensive coordinator, but on his own in this era...he sucks!

When EVER has Al hired a coach from the Denver Broncos? I mean he's talking of bringing more guys from Denver...if that's true doesn't that fall into the same thing as RM hiring all Packers staff and become the Oakland Packers...instead he went the Oakland Bronco route.

Now Denver did play with heart 'cause the world was against them with teabag! Now let's get one thing straight...IF Teabag loses 3 of those 4 OT wins in their 7 game winning streak! Dennis Allen's defense isn't even talked about! It wasn't like they were shutting out teams, they had a nice run but doesn't mean SHiT ...heart don't win SB's! Players and coaches do! ...Last time Dennis Allen coached a game that mattered, his scheme yielded 6 TD passes! The Raven Defense allowed 0 passing TD's the next week! What does that tell you about their heart or their scheme? NOTHING!

At least I'll take it like a man if I am wrong! Unlike gutless Millernation and spin shit to hide behind failing!

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Matty Raider · « **Reply #577 on:** January 29, 2012, 06:59:32 PM »

Quote from: RaiderWildeStyle on January 29, 2012, 02:16:13 PM

Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on January 29, 2012, 02:15:34 AM
I want to be the first on record that we wont do shit in the first 2 years with Allen as coach! #1- half the players won't respect his ass #2- We have tons of issues that may or may not get fixed.... But I think Raider Greg is a little more optimistic than I ever seen him this early in the offseason that really isn't officially under way till the Super Bowl is finished..... But damn Greg I am not even close to thinking playoffs next year... Denver will be better whether we like that or not and SD won't go away anytime soon and KC pushed us to the brink in KC that last game we had to win to keep the season alive...if it weren't for Seymour's blocked FG's.... week 17 couldn't of meant shit! We could of lost as many games as we won this year! Houston,KC,CHI,DEN So I am not so optimistic now that are team is functioning like a EXPANSION team now and apparently the Raiders are bringing in more Denver personnel.. So we build our team in Denver's image now huh? BULLSHIT! I am going insane watching this all happen! It's like watching a Russian take over as president of the USA

Yeah bro it's frightening how it's all unfolding before our eyes.

I've always drunk the optimistic kool aid ever since the 2005 season... the only way was up on our 4-12/5-11 campaigns. But this rookie GM & rookie HC is such a reality check and the only way is down

"Oh but Allen will improve our Defense"

"Thats true, But whats going to happen with our Offense, letting one of the brightest HC in Hue Jackson just split"

DARK TIMES ON THE HORIZON MY RAIDERS FRIENDS

Oh yeah, and Hue kept it together fantastically down the stretch when we were were 7-4 in Week 12. We REALLY lit it up in the last third of the season....

We got the DC from Denver, so that constitutes rebuilding ourselves in Denver's image???

Well, in my opinion, Denver actually played with some FUCKING HEART in some of their games and I'd like to see if Allen can drive our players. If not, those players can be shown the door. I am sick of losing. I am sick of watching our team piss games away.

So Mike, if we are are successful in the next two years, I will look forward to Millernation blowing up your shit the same way you pissed and moaned and called him out after this year's Miami loss, right?

As far as respecting him, I don't want players who don't respect the Head Coach. Those fuckers can go somewhere else. Show me a New England player who doesn't respect Beli-cheat? Oh yeah, they get shown the door. That's what winning franchises do now. They cut cancers out of the locker room. Braylon Edwards ring a bell?

Reggie may be a "rookie" GM but he has been influential in building the Packers for the last 10 years. Where have we been in the last 10 years? We have been a joke. A laughingstock franchise.

We got a GM who is respected around the league and and an up and coming coach. Let's just see.

Raider Greg · « **Reply #576 on:** January 29, 2012, 06:14:28 PM »

I still think we have the talent and the desire to push to the next level.... The team and its new Coach will prove to be a breath of fresh air.... Our team will improve next year with our GM finding talent at a low price to fill the holes we have... I predict we cut the FAT as in Routt and other players that were not doin it..... Remember..... AL Davis is not here to protect the players from being let go..... Our team will improve just by the very nature of "Do it or Get out"......... Watch and see what a good coach can to....... Playoffs....... Thats my Vision.....

RaiderWildeStyle · « **Reply #575 on:** January 29, 2012, 02:16:13 PM »

Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on January 29, 2012, 02:15:34 AM

I want to be the first on record that we wont do shit in the first 2 years with Allen as coach! #1- half the players won't respect his ass #2- We have tons of issues that may or may not get fixed.... But I think Raider Greg is a little more optimistic than I ever seen him this early in the offseason that really isn't officially under way till the Super Bowl is finished..... But damn Greg I am not even close to thinking playoffs next year... Denver will be better whether we like that or not and SD won't go away anytime soon and KC pushed us to the brink in KC that last game we had to win to keep the season alive...if it weren't for Seymour's blocked FG's.... week 17 couldn't of meant shit! We could of lost as many games as we won this year! Houston,KC,CHI,DEN So I am not so optimistic now that are team is functioning like a EXPANSION team now and apparently the Raiders are bringing in more Denver personnel.. So we build our team in Denver's image now huh? BULLSHIT! I am going insane watching this all happen! It's like watching a Russian take over as president of the USA

Yeah bro it's frightening how it's all unfolding before our eyes.

I've always drunk the optimistic kool aid ever since the 2005 season... the only way was up on our 4-12/5-11 campaigns. But this rookie GM & rookie HC is such a reality check and the only way is down

"Oh but Allen will improve our Defense"

"Thats true, But whats going to happen with our Offense, letting one of the brightest HC in Hue Jackson just split"

DARK TIMES ON THE HORIZON MY RAIDERS FRIENDS

RAIDER MIKE · « **Reply #574 on:** January 29, 2012, 02:15:34 AM »

I want to be the first on record that we wont do shit in the first 2 years with Allen as coach! #1- half the players won't respect his ass #2- We have tons of issues that may or may not get fixed.... But I think Raider Greg is a little more optimistic than I ever seen him this early in the offseason that really isn't officially under way till the Super Bowl is finished..... But damn Greg I am not even close to thinking playoffs next year... Denver will be better whether we like that or not and SD won't go away anytime soon and KC pushed us to the brink in KC that last game we had to win to keep the season alive...if it weren't for Seymour's blocked FG's.... week 17 couldn't of meant shit! We could of lost as many games as we won this year! Houston,KC,CHI,DEN So I am not so optimistic now that are team is functioning like a EXPANSION team now and apparently the Raiders are bringing in more Denver personnel.. So we build our team in Denver's image now huh? BULLSHIT! I am going insane watching this all happen! It's like watching a Russian take over as president of the USA

Raidersully · « **Reply #573 on:** January 28, 2012, 09:46:07 PM »

I just don't see us getting much for DMAC for the reasons said before. He gets injured too much. It's no secret to the rest of the league. But I do remember the last home grown player that got injured too much that we got rid of. Charles Woodson ring a bell? But no big deal there. I mean his career went in the shitter after leaving Oakland. I mean no one talks about him anymore.

Getting rid of DMAC now is too soon and I don't think would garner as many draft picks as one might think.

I agree with Raider Greg that Hue used DMAC too much. We have Bush for a reason. Any other team that guy is a starter. No reason you can't split the carries with these guys and it helps keeps DMAC healthy and Bush from getting run down come the later par of the season. This league proves over and over that you need a two back system. St. Louis is the only place that comes to mind that does it with one back. And while Stephen Jackson is great. His team is not exactly lighting up the NFL right now.

If there is a player on the roster that we can perhaps get some trade value for it is Ford. I know this guy is loved and is great. But that is the point. He is a great return guy and an up and coming WR. We have Moore who I think is even better and DHB is showing he can start to play (though drafting what was thought to be a speedy wideout only to find out he is a possession receiver is a bit maddening). We can afford to lose Ford in my opinion and may get a few later round draft picks for him. After watching the 49ers's last game you can't tell me they couldn't use a reliable WR. There are other teams that may be looking for that too.

My two cents. GO RAIDERS!!!

HELLRAIDER · « **Reply #572 on:** January 28, 2012, 04:27:04 PM »

Quote from: da_AZN_PErsuAZN on January 28, 2012, 12:30:25 AM

Quote from: Randy on January 28, 2012, 12:17:00 AM
Quote from: da_AZN_PErsuAZN on January 28, 2012, 12:04:59 AM
It would be a kings ransom if we were to trade DMAC!

Someone asked Steve Corkran in the Tuesday live chat what he thought we could get for DMac in a trade, draftwise......and he said, "a late 1st rounder". I don't know if that would be considered "a King's ransom". Probably not. I think I'd rather have the known commodity in McFadden than say the 27th pick in the draft (a "crap shoot").

I know McKenzie has traded down in the draft before to get more picks. He likes lots of picks, since they don't all pan out. Maybe he could turn a late 1st round pick into two 2nd rounders? Would that be worth it for McFadden? I don't have that draft points chart handy...I'm not sure what a late 1st rounder would convert to in a trade down.
A late 1st rounder for DMAC?! That's it?! Forget it! Id say Dmac and TJ share reps and see if TJ develops at all! Finish Dmac's rookie contract and see where were at in the HB spot. In short - sign a vet/speedy back, let Bush walk and see where were at..

Mcfadden is the only player on our roster who we could get some good picks for........besides, tell me where we would have been last year if we did not have Bush........Jones was hurt and you are honestly going to tell me that you would have wanted Cartwright running the ball 15-20 times a game........dont get me wrong.....mcfadden is great but he will never play a full season......the stats dont lie.............Mckenzie is not happy coming to a team that has only a 5th and a 6th round pick.......its gonna happen.......if it is not mcfadden then it will be someone else........the only way for us to get some picks will be through trading current players we have now............and if we dont pick up anyone from the draft then we are screwed because we simply dont have the talent on defense to win games..........every person in our secondary sucks except for branch..........

da_AZN_PErsuAZN · « **Reply #571 on:** January 28, 2012, 12:30:25 AM »

Quote from: Randy on January 28, 2012, 12:17:00 AM

Quote from: da_AZN_PErsuAZN on January 28, 2012, 12:04:59 AM
It would be a kings ransom if we were to trade DMAC!

Someone asked Steve Corkran in the Tuesday live chat what he thought we could get for DMac in a trade, draftwise......and he said, "a late 1st rounder". I don't know if that would be considered "a King's ransom". Probably not. I think I'd rather have the known commodity in McFadden than say the 27th pick in the draft (a "crap shoot").

I know McKenzie has traded down in the draft before to get more picks. He likes lots of picks, since they don't all pan out. Maybe he could turn a late 1st round pick into two 2nd rounders? Would that be worth it for McFadden? I don't have that draft points chart handy...I'm not sure what a late 1st rounder would convert to in a trade down.

A late 1st rounder for DMAC?! That's it?! Forget it! Id say Dmac and TJ share reps and see if TJ develops at all! Finish Dmac's rookie contract and see where were at in the HB spot. In short - sign a vet/speedy back, let Bush walk and see where were at..

Randy · « **Reply #570 on:** January 28, 2012, 12:17:00 AM »

Quote from: da_AZN_PErsuAZN on January 28, 2012, 12:04:59 AM

It would be a kings ransom if we were to trade DMAC!

Someone asked Steve Corkran in the Tuesday live chat what he thought we could get for DMac in a trade, draftwise......and he said, "a late 1st rounder". I don't know if that would be considered "a King's ransom". Probably not. I think I'd rather have the known commodity in McFadden than say the 27th pick in the draft (a "crap shoot").

I know McKenzie has traded down in the draft before to get more picks. He likes lots of picks, since they don't all pan out. Maybe he could turn a late 1st round pick into two 2nd rounders? Would that be worth it for McFadden? I don't have that draft points chart handy...I'm not sure what a late 1st rounder would convert to in a trade down.

Update: I just found the "NFL Draft Point Value Chart":
http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm

A late 1st rounder is worth between 600-700 points, which would get you two late 2nd rounders.........or........one early 2nd rounder plus a mid-3rd rounder.

Maybe a team that has an early pick in each round, who needs a good RB, would give us their early 2nd and early 3rd round pick for McFadden. Would that be worth it? Or one of the top teams this year, who has their picks late....might give us their late 1st rounder? We could use it or trade it.

da_AZN_PErsuAZN · « **Reply #569 on:** January 28, 2012, 12:04:59 AM »

BUSH did a hell of a job coming in and starting BUT HE's NO DMAC! Its always fun watching a north-south, "bruiser" type of a HB. But these types of HBs are a dime a dozen! Just imagine if DMAc didnt get hurt and stayed healthy all season, the play action with our young WR corps! Ooohhh Babeee! Defenses, particularly here in the AFC West would game-plan on him every single time he's in! Even my "9erds" friends were impressed! Bush is not a "home-run hitter" and the jury's still out with TJ (taiwanJones). It would be a kings ransom if we were to trade DMAC!

NJ Raider Kev · « **Reply #568 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:33:38 PM »

Quote from: Raider Greg on January 27, 2012, 07:18:09 PM

Ok fellas........Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water! LOOK DMC will be a GREAT back for us....

Personally, I like McFadden but I'm just tired of seeing him go down! Greg, you're right, if he was splitting time with Bush, it would definitely prolong his health.

When does DMC's contract expire? We don't want the same situation as we had with Nnamdi. I'm sure that things will work out well, especially with a GM in play.

Go Raiders!

Raider Greg · « **Reply #567 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:18:09 PM »

Quote from: NJ Raider Kev on January 27, 2012, 01:21:08 PM

Quote from: HELLRAIDER on January 27, 2012, 11:28:35 AM
..GET HIM OUT OF HERE........IF HE CANNOT STAY HEALTHY!

I agree with you HR. although he's really good, he cannot stay healthy. I'm sure we can get something good in return.

Go Raiders!

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Ok fellas........Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water! LOOK DMC will be a GREAT back for us.... HUE Hackson used him up until he was injured..... Then Bush was handed the ball.......A GOOD COACH WOULD ROTATE BACKS IN EVERY GAME SO THAT THEY WLL NOT GET BUSTED UP FROM ALL THE ABUSE..... HATE TO SAY IT LIKE THE 49ERS... THEY HAD PROBLEMS WITH GORE UNTIL THE COACH STARTED GIVING THE BALL TO OTHER BACKS TO KEEP GORE HEALTHY...... THIS IS WHY TEAMS ARE KEEPING THREE RB'S...... IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.....WE WILL BE FINE WITH DMC AND BUSH AND JONES ROTATING...... ADD PALMERS ARM AND OUR YOUNG WR'S PLAYOFFS HERE WE COME...... WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS NEXT SEASON..... IM SURE OF IT!

RaiderWildeStyle · « **Reply #566 on:** January 27, 2012, 04:05:58 PM »

Sorry Guys, I can't trade a player from the team who gives it there all. Players who play with heart are hard to come by (& 1st round picks with ticker & a will to win) ... well we have probably 3 of them over the last 10 years or so (Asomugha, DMC & DHB)

We are not getting a ransom for the very reason that HELLRAIDER pointed out. He is injured too much. Anyone who wants a 1st round pick in return for him is dreaming!!! (Marshawn Lynch who was a dynamic back in Buffalo only netted the BILLS a 4th round pick and a conditional pick in 2012 draft)

I think the Raiders are in a good position this year with McFadden... A) he plays the 16 full game slate & his health being good translate into we are that dynamic high scoring offense. or B) he misses a couple a game (Hamstring, toe injury..whatever) & then we can go into the offseason of 2013 knowing we can resign a guy who wants to stay with the raiders at a discounted rate (DMC is not getting Adrien Peterson/Matt Forte money because of his injury history & no other teams are going to pay him a kings ransom for that very reason)

With a cheaper McFadden in 2013 then we can target another premier free agent with the 5/10 million we will save a year on his contract.