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NCRaider:
I know it's a long road ahead but I read that during last nights city council meeting a "Yes" verdict was reached in continuing to explore the "Oakland Coliseum City" project. Good news for the bay area...for now....

Raider Greg:

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--- Quote from: Raidersully on February 05, 2012, 05:31:50 PM ---Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.


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You couldn't help yourself to attack my loyalty to the Raiders... I've done same exact thing you and other GREAT So-Cal Raider fans have....I waited for 13 years for them to return....plus I wasn't screaming for them to come back and I wasn't talking shit to my friends that live down there.... I was happy they came home.... But after putting 17 more years of dedication I earned the right to call this team my own as much as any fan...I never will say that I'm best Raider fan in the world or most loyal cause there's no way to measure that in reality cause I'm not you and your not me thankfully...So we can both love this team equal and never truly be able to measure that....So having said that I don't care if you think that YOUR more loyal cause they left...I went thru it too!  Al Davis said on the record that going there was a mistake! ..... He was losing his mystic by the hour after they made that terrible music video...lol.... Moving to Oakland was the best thing for the franchise in my opinion ...moving back down there would just be the final straw for me...but that's me...but hey the fact is the Raiders are in Oakland and until that changes this is a wasted argument but entertaining

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HOW MANY FREEKIN TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!!!! "THERE IS ONE NATION" MADE UP OF MANY TYPES OF PEOPLE.....FROM EVERY PLACE ON EARTH...... NO ONE......AND I MEAN NO ONE IS A BETTER FAN.......ALL OF US HERE ARE JUST LIKE THAT.....SOME GO TO EVERY GAME....OTHERS WILL NEVER SEE THE COLISEUM..... STILL ALL ARE RAIDER NATION......LET'S KNOCK THIS CRAP OFF AND WORRY ABOUT THE NEW SPECIAL TEAMS COACH WE GOT FROM KC.......SUCKS HUGE IN MY EYES...... CHIEFS SPECIAL TEAMS BLEW WITH HIM AT THE HELM.......I AM BECOMING SERIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR NEW COACH AND GM...... THE OC WAS TOUGH BUT NOW THIS MORON..... DON'T WANT TO BE TOO NEGATIVE BUT...... NO ONE BETTER? WHY LET FASSEL GO? HE ROCKED......THIS TEAM BETTER IMPROVE DESPITE THE LOSER COACHES.......I'M PISSED AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO......

RAIDER MIKE:

--- Quote from: Raidersully on February 05, 2012, 05:31:50 PM ---Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.


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You couldn't help yourself to attack my loyalty to the Raiders... I've done same exact thing you and other GREAT So-Cal Raider fans have....I waited for 13 years for them to return....plus I wasn't screaming for them to come back and I wasn't talking shit to my friends that live down there.... I was happy they came home.... But after putting 17 more years of dedication I earned the right to call this team my own as much as any fan...I never will say that I'm best Raider fan in the world or most loyal cause there's no way to measure that in reality cause I'm not you and your not me thankfully...So we can both love this team equal and never truly be able to measure that....So having said that I don't care if you think that YOUR more loyal cause they left...I went thru it too!  Al Davis said on the record that going there was a mistake! ..... He was losing his mystic by the hour after they made that terrible music video...lol.... Moving to Oakland was the best thing for the franchise in my opinion ...moving back down there would just be the final straw for me...but that's me...but hey the fact is the Raiders are in Oakland and until that changes this is a wasted argument but entertaining

raidersully:
True. Teams don’t just move. But that is one of the things that could happen to fill the stadium that will be built in L.A. This is why I think the Rams and the Chargers make the most sense to move to L.A. Both teams have connection to the city and have fans in the area. Add to that that the Chargless will for sure sell out one game a year when they play the Raiders. The same way the Raider fans take over San Diego. Teams don’t move often. But they do move, and when enticed by a new stadium, it makes the move that much easier.

My loyalty is to the colors and the name Raiders. The rest is of no importance to me. But as I stated, I do think they should stay in Oakland. That is where they are from and have history there. Same reason I don’t want to see the Vikings move to L.A. And why the Rams and Chargless make the most sense.

"You say LA would seat more cause of the size of their stadium...well that's an fair assessment?"

You obviously misunderstood or misread what I posted. I said that the orginal stadium that the Raiders played in L.A. was the Coliseum which holds 93,607. I have no clue the capacity of the new proposed stadium.

“If we had 92,000 seats and filled it the same you couldn't back up your argument! “

And if frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their ass when they jumped. But I’m not dealing with if. I am dealing with facts. And the facts are that the current stadium that the Raiders play in holds 30,000 less people then the one they played in while in L.A. and yet they have just had their first sold out season since coming back.

As for the playoff games not selling out in L.A. I never said L.A. fans were better than Oakland fans. I was answering Hellraiders assessment that fans didn’t care in L.A. But even with 88,000 people in the stands it’s still 24,904 more people than could fit in the O. And even though you guys could sell out your playoff games you could not sellout the season games.

You may have sold out games in 2006, but not all of them. Despite the record the fans did not turn out all year. And cutting their hair had nothing to do with Metallica’s sellout. Hair length has nothing to do with making good music. Metallica sold out because they decided to follow the trends instead of setting them.

“Me I'm all about loyalty and respect...”

Really? All about loyalty. Unless the team moves to L.A. and then you are willing to wash your hands of them after 32 years of being a fan. Yeah, that sounds like loyalty. Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.

Again. I am not saying which fan base is batter than others. But don’t give me that ‘L.A. fans don’t care’ shit. Many of us care and have stayed with the team before they came to L.A. and after they left. There is a reason the fan base is called the Raider Nation and not the Oakland Nation.

RAIDER MIKE:
The thing is you guys speak of teams moving like its a normal thing! The last NFL team to move was the Houston Oilers who now are the Tennessee Titans...that was 1999 (16 years ago) uh last Century..... Teams don't just move... You think Denver would move and become the LA Broncos or how about KC become the LA Chiefs? Or how about Miami or I know GB would move their team huh? They'll call them the LA Cheeseheads!  Fucking listen to what your saying!  "I don't care about The city of Oakland"....well don't EVER come here again to see a game then....the City of Oakland doesn't like you!  ..LOL!.... I mean where's the "Loyalty" in fucking over your fan base TWICE!  You say LA would seat more cause of the size of their stadium...well that's an fair assessment?...and comparison given Oakland can only seat 63,000? ....that talk don't mean dick!.... If we had 92,000 seats and filled it the same you couldn't back up your argument!  The LA Raiders didn't sell out the last time they hosted a AFC Champ game Vs Seahawks! Look it up 88,000 that's 5,000 short of Raiders fans in LA chose NOT to see them 1 game away from the SB and we won! ....LA Didn't sell out a AFC Championship game last time we win a SB? ......Would NOT happen in Oakland with playoffs happening!....cause I went to BOTH AFC Champ games and I paid $350+ each game and it was soooo sold out! .... Being a fan of the team and not caring where they play is all good ....I get it! .....Me I'm all about loyalty and respect...and moving to LA is like spitting in the faces of the LOYAL fans who sold out games in the 2006 2-14 season (would not happen in LA) they move to LA they'll be "selling out" and become a cooperate tool like the heavy metal band Metallica that cut their hair and became pussies!......That will be the end of my era as a Die Hard Raider fan....I don't give a fuck if anyone says shit....cause I know what I've done as a fan and I feel good about it..they could go on and win 20 SB's and I won't feel a shred of excitement  or barely notice..Technology is great in alot of ways....it allowed us to be in touch with Raider fans across the world....but really if you lived it with me in real life last 32 years....you'd understand what I'm talking about....Either way.... IF the Raiders move to LA or NOT.... it's a win win for Me! .....Cause they stay I get my team to watch forever....IF they move.... I'll call them the "LA Traitors" and wash my hands clean of 32 years of stupidity for thinking they would win another SB for Oakland and relieve myself from NFL football forever and live a different lifestyle on Sundays... So I'll let Mark Davis decide my Raider fan Hood future!.... He sells out.... I'm done.... he stays.... I'm a happy camper and continue to wait for our SB victory and support this team that has been here since 1960 their REAL HOME...they spent a summer vacation of 13 years in LA of 52 years of existence and people act like they belong there in LA....they won 1 SB and had a few playoff runs...nothing screams history other than Marcus Allen and Bo's (other indiv.) accomplishments.

I think If Mark Davis moves to LA it's a sign that he's ALL about money.... NOT winning and will SELL OUT...if he truly cares about the team....he can do the same thing they can do in LA..... build a stadium HERE or share one with the Niners.....that truly would mean he wants to win and keep the team close to Al!  We'll see what happens...may not know for 2 more years so no use in beating each other up over it....until a stadium is built and complete... NO team will move to LA!...those are cold hard facts!


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