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houston raider:
I believe that Al Davis was Guaranteed sellouts when he decided to move to Los Angeles .As you can see on old film footage there were about 30,000 EMPTY seats at The Los Angeles memorial Coliseum on game days .He was Also promised by Los Angeles officials that they would have Luxury Suites at the Coliseum built.This NEVER Happened.I am Told that The City Officials in Oakland promised and built what Raiders fans call MT Davis(Luxury seats/boxes),to bring the Raiders back to Oakland .I believe the citizens of Oakland paid for this.Can someone please tell me how much of the taxpayers money paid for MT Davis and how much of Al's money/private money went into financing MT Davis and the Oakland Coliseum?

houston raider:
I was fortunate to have Met Dan Pastorini...Dan told me that he was playing Pretty Good until he Got Hurt(against the Chiefs in Oakland).Some Raiders fans were Bitter that Al traded Ken Stabler to Houston. Stabler helped the Raiders Win their First Super Bowl. Alot Of Raider fans were upset with the trade and Never Embraced Pastorini. When Dan got hurt Alot of Raider fans Cheered-that was Low Class ! That Hurt Dan Alot. Plunkett came into the game and the Crowd Cheered. .Plunkett won games and Eventually The Raiders won the Super Bowl against the Eagles. There is a really Good Book on Jim Plunkett.-I checked it out from the library. Al got to a point where he didn't like Pastorini and Al treated Dan Not kindly and Pastorini was toast as far as Al was concerned(after the injury)Dan Felt that Al was Treating him badly during that time .I asked Dan about his Raider days and I could tell he wasn;t happy with Al Davis and the way some Raider fans treated him when he got injured .I asked him if he wore his Super Bowl ring and Dan said when he Got Injured it was Plunkett's team and that he Never wears that ring.
     Bobby Hebert was a qb with the Oakland invaders...and Raymond Chester and some Raiders were on the Invaders team .Bobby is on WWL radio in New Orleans(sportstalk 870 am).I listen to his shows when I can pick it up. Bobby mentioned that Fred Biletnikoff was the qb coach for the Invaders and when Bobby walked into the position room the room was filled with Fred's cigarette smoke and cig smoke from another position coach. Bobby also mentioned that when he played for the Saints that the fans sitting Directly behind their bench would yell all kind of profanities and throw stuff at them...Even old white hair grandmothers-flippin' them off and talking vile stuff. .even kids!...he said he Never experienced anything like this except the Oakland Coliseum...he was laughing about it...

Randy:

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The Raiders didn't leave Oakland in '87...The Raiders were in L.A. for the 1982 through 1994 seasons. I know you must have just hit the wrong key when you typed that message, but just wanted to clarify that for people who might not know the right dates.

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Well the title of the video said 1987 meaning they did the TV spot in 1987 ....So when I said this video is how Raider fans  felt back in 1987 means exactly what I said....I didn't say ....in 1987 is when the Raiders moved to L.A.

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I thought that's probably what you meant Mike, but I just clairified it in case someone who doesn't know the history like you do might read where you said, "...HOW PEOPLE FELT AND VIEWED THE RAIDERS AFTER THEY LEFT BACK IN 1987".....and they might think it meant that they left in '87. It was kind of strange in that video how they showed the old abandoned practice field in Alameda, where a parking space still had Kenny Stabler's name on it in '87....even though he played for the Oilers in '80 and '81, the last two years the Raiders were in Oakland before moving to LA. The fact that Stabler had been feuding with Al Davis and was traded....and wasn't with the Raiders those last two years....I would have thought Al would have had Stabler's name painted over on that parking space.

I still have a snapshot I took in '81 with my camera, when I was standing in row 1 in front of the old bleachers at the Coliseum as the Raiders and Oilers were warming up for a game....and Stabler is standing there in his Oilers uniform talking to Bum Phillips....wearing his trademark cowboy hat.

When Al Davis traded Stabler to Houston, it was a straight across trade, QB for QB....Stabler for Dan Pastorini. I think he liked Pastorini's strong arm, for stretching the field, and he was 30 years old compared with Stabler at 34. That didn't work out too well. What did Pastorini play? Four games? Well, actually it did work out well in the end....when Pastorini broke his leg.  I had season tickets then...my first year. When his leg snapped, the crowd cheered because he hadn't done all that well and they wanted to see Jim Plunkett. Plunkett stepped in and led the Raiders to the Superbowl, and won it...as everyone knows. The "cinderella season" as they called it.

Thanks Mike. See you when the season starts!


Check out this old article I found about the trade:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19800315&id=Dc5HAAAAIBAJ&sjid=U38MAAAAIBAJ&pg=7270,3550763


Here's a couple more interesting articles I ran across that tell the story of what was happening with the Raiders back then:

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/30/sports/pastorini-is-itching-to-get-in-the-game.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1095212/

RAIDER MIKE:

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The Raiders didn't leave Oakland in '87...The Raiders were in L.A. for the 1982 through 1994 seasons. I know you must have just hit the wrong key when you typed that message, but just wanted to clarify that for people who might not know the right dates.

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Well the title of the video said 1987 meaning they did the TV spot in 1987 ....So when I said this video is how Raider fans  felt back in 1987 means exactly what I said....I didn't say ....in 1987 is when the Raiders moved to L.A.

Randy:

--- Quote from: RAIDER MIKE on April 26, 2014, 11:47:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: Randy on April 24, 2014, 08:44:43 PM ---With Coliseum City commitment deadline passed, Raiders wait on A's
Levi Damien, SB Nation
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/4/24/5651116/with-coliseum-city-commitment-deadline-passed-raiders-wait-on-as

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Remember the "Oakland Invaders"?  I wonder if Randy remembers that?  ....

http://youtu.be/mjgMhE9jc7w

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Oh, of course I remember the Invaders. One of the firefighters I worked with back then had been a long-time Raiders season ticket holder.....back to the '60's I think....and when the Raiders moved to L.A., he got pissed off at Al Davis and bought Oakland Invaders season tickets and was a member of the Invaders booster club. I just couldn't do it. A bunch of other former Raiders fans in the FD jumped ship to the 49ers, since they won their first Superbowl right before the Raiders moved. I had Raiders season tickets in '80 and '81.....but I wasn't going to jump ship. I still have a few Los Angeles Raiders t-shirts in my drawer.

The Raiders last year before moving to LA, 1981.....the year the 49ers won the Superbowl......the Raiders went 7-9. They had a three game streak near the beginning of that season when they were shut out three straight games. That was the first time an NFL team had been shut out three consecutive games since the 1920's, when it happened to the New York Yankees football team.

The Raiders' first year in LA was the strike-shortened season, and the Raiders went 8-1 using "scab" players, with Vince Evans as their QB, remember him? That same year......the Superbowl Champion 49ers went 3-6 in the strike-shortened season. I won money from one of my 49er fan friends that year. We used to make a bet every year on who would have a better record between the Raiders and 49ers. He tried to weasel out of the bet by saying that "all bets are off" because of the strike. I didn't let him get away with it.

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