Stadium Issues

[RAIDER MIKE]

The Raiders will leave Oakland for LA .....

Oh Ok you called this one...... Raider Nightmare where are you?  I thought you said you seen bulldozers or some shit!  LOL

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_downtown_los_angeles_nfl_stadium_goodell_aeg_032912

 GREATEST NEWS OF 2012 hahahaha  YES!

[houston raider]

You don't want to lose an NFL franchise. Here in Houston we lost the Oilers....SAD days for 10 years!!! We were LUCKY to get an NFL franchise, the Texans. It cost Texans owner Bob McNair $900 MILLION for the expansion fee. In order to try and keep the Oilers, the Houston taxpayers had 10,000 new seats put in the Astrodome, once billed as the 8th wonder of the world, now it's a EYESORE (plus it has asbestos!!)....imagine that. Bud Adams also took out the animated scoreboard everyone loved (when they put in the 10,00 new seats). The Houston taxpayers are probably still Paying for those seats being put in!!
   
People thought, "why did you just let the Oilers leave?" Houston was thought of as a Second rate city (sports wise). WE took hits in the national media. Then Jerry Jones said all the OIler fans can NOW be Cowboy fans...we said NO WAY!!! Half of Houston are Cowboy fans anyway-they were WINNERS!!!

At least the Oakland city council PASSSED the two resolutions...they are Forward thinking-once again the shining city on the bay/sea...out of San Francisco shadows....the stick is a DUMP...as Greg says, the flying saucer-lol

[Raider Greg]

I know it's a long road ahead but I read that during last nights city council meeting a "Yes" verdict was reached in continuing to explore the "Oakland Coliseum City" project. Good news for the bay area...for now....

It's a farce bro.. it's Oakland City Council trying to save face at the 11th hour to try & keep their sports teams in Oakland.

Athletics owner Lew Wolff has been adamant that it's San Jose or he will probably sell the team. (meaning new owners would probably relocate because Oakland  as of late hasn't supported baseball like all other U.S cities = fairweathered fanbase)

Warriors brass have already had discussions with owners of AT&T ballpark about building a new arena by the San Francisco shoreline.

The only team that will most likely stay in Oakland is the Raiders (But they will be the 1st team to leave if they get no commitment on a new stadium)

This Coliseum City is a multiple billion dollar project which Mayor Quan has stated would be funded by private investment & as Oakland is such a vibrant picturesque area of America then I am sure the corporate dollars will just roll in to get this project up & running.

Oakland Council would be best focused on building a football purpose built stadium to keep the raiders. Leave the Oracle as is & hope that they can convince the Warriors to stay on with a more friendly lease & cut their losses with the Athletics.. Because long term the baseball team is leaving (I just cant see the Athletics staying in Oakland considering the owner Lew Woolf has said publically that the Oakland council has left it too late with offers of a new stadium)

I have to agree here....... Day late and many dollars short..... Oakland is losing every pro team and they deserve to because of there lack of action...... If the Raiders leave it will not be because they didn't give Oakland a chance... The Oakland city government has been so bad for so long that its not funny.... Like I have said before.... The Raiders will leave Oakland for LA or perhaps someplace else but they will not stay in a city that will not work with them..... The Old "OFMA" was the first joke and its been down hill from there..... What a JOKE.....Now a broke city will waste 3.5 million on NOTHING! So very sad for the fans in the Bay area.....

[RaiderWildeStyle]

I know it's a long road ahead but I read that during last nights city council meeting a "Yes" verdict was reached in continuing to explore the "Oakland Coliseum City" project. Good news for the bay area...for now....

It's a farce bro.. it's Oakland City Council trying to save face at the 11th hour to try & keep their sports teams in Oakland.

Athletics owner Lew Wolff has been adamant that it's San Jose or he will probably sell the team. (meaning new owners would probably relocate because Oakland  as of late hasn't supported baseball like all other U.S cities = fairweathered fanbase)

Warriors brass have already had discussions with owners of AT&T ballpark about building a new arena by the San Francisco shoreline.

The only team that will most likely stay in Oakland is the Raiders (But they will be the 1st team to leave if they get no commitment on a new stadium)

This Coliseum City is a multiple billion dollar project which Mayor Quan has stated would be funded by private investment & as Oakland is such a vibrant picturesque area of America then I am sure the corporate dollars will just roll in to get this project up & running.

Oakland Council would be best focused on building a football purpose built stadium to keep the raiders. Leave the Oracle as is & hope that they can convince the Warriors to stay on with a more friendly lease & cut their losses with the Athletics.. Because long term the baseball team is leaving (I just cant see the Athletics staying in Oakland considering the owner Lew Woolf has said publically that the Oakland council has left it too late with offers of a new stadium)

[NCRaider]

I know it's a long road ahead but I read that during last nights city council meeting a "Yes" verdict was reached in continuing to explore the "Oakland Coliseum City" project. Good news for the bay area...for now....

[Raider Greg]

Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.

You couldn't help yourself to attack my loyalty to the Raiders... I've done same exact thing you and other GREAT So-Cal Raider fans have....I waited for 13 years for them to return....plus I wasn't screaming for them to come back and I wasn't talking shit to my friends that live down there.... I was happy they came home.... But after putting 17 more years of dedication I earned the right to call this team my own as much as any fan...I never will say that I'm best Raider fan in the world or most loyal cause there's no way to measure that in reality cause I'm not you and your not me thankfully...So we can both love this team equal and never truly be able to measure that....So having said that I don't care if you think that YOUR more loyal cause they left...I went thru it too!  Al Davis said on the record that going there was a mistake! ..... He was losing his mystic by the hour after they made that terrible music video...lol.... Moving to Oakland was the best thing for the franchise in my opinion ...moving back down there would just be the final straw for me...but that's me...but hey the fact is the Raiders are in Oakland and until that changes this is a wasted argument but entertaining

HOW MANY FREEKIN TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!!!! "THERE IS ONE NATION" MADE UP OF MANY TYPES OF PEOPLE.....FROM EVERY PLACE ON EARTH...... NO ONE......AND I MEAN NO ONE IS A BETTER FAN.......ALL OF US HERE ARE JUST LIKE THAT.....SOME GO TO EVERY GAME....OTHERS WILL NEVER SEE THE COLISEUM..... STILL ALL ARE RAIDER NATION......LET'S KNOCK THIS CRAP OFF AND WORRY ABOUT THE NEW SPECIAL TEAMS COACH WE GOT FROM KC.......SUCKS HUGE IN MY EYES...... CHIEFS SPECIAL TEAMS BLEW WITH HIM AT THE HELM.......I AM BECOMING SERIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR NEW COACH AND GM...... THE OC WAS TOUGH BUT NOW THIS MORON..... DON'T WANT TO BE TOO NEGATIVE BUT...... NO ONE BETTER? WHY LET FASSEL GO? HE ROCKED......THIS TEAM BETTER IMPROVE DESPITE THE LOSER COACHES.......I'M PISSED AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO......

[RAIDER MIKE]

Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.

You couldn't help yourself to attack my loyalty to the Raiders... I've done same exact thing you and other GREAT So-Cal Raider fans have....I waited for 13 years for them to return....plus I wasn't screaming for them to come back and I wasn't talking shit to my friends that live down there.... I was happy they came home.... But after putting 17 more years of dedication I earned the right to call this team my own as much as any fan...I never will say that I'm best Raider fan in the world or most loyal cause there's no way to measure that in reality cause I'm not you and your not me thankfully...So we can both love this team equal and never truly be able to measure that....So having said that I don't care if you think that YOUR more loyal cause they left...I went thru it too!  Al Davis said on the record that going there was a mistake! ..... He was losing his mystic by the hour after they made that terrible music video...lol.... Moving to Oakland was the best thing for the franchise in my opinion ...moving back down there would just be the final straw for me...but that's me...but hey the fact is the Raiders are in Oakland and until that changes this is a wasted argument but entertaining

[Raidersully]

True. Teams don’t just move. But that is one of the things that could happen to fill the stadium that will be built in L.A. This is why I think the Rams and the Chargers make the most sense to move to L.A. Both teams have connection to the city and have fans in the area. Add to that that the Chargless will for sure sell out one game a year when they play the Raiders. The same way the Raider fans take over San Diego. Teams don’t move often. But they do move, and when enticed by a new stadium, it makes the move that much easier.

My loyalty is to the colors and the name Raiders. The rest is of no importance to me. But as I stated, I do think they should stay in Oakland. That is where they are from and have history there. Same reason I don’t want to see the Vikings move to L.A. And why the Rams and Chargless make the most sense.

"You say LA would seat more cause of the size of their stadium...well that's an fair assessment?"

You obviously misunderstood or misread what I posted. I said that the orginal stadium that the Raiders played in L.A. was the Coliseum which holds 93,607. I have no clue the capacity of the new proposed stadium.

“If we had 92,000 seats and filled it the same you couldn't back up your argument! “

And if frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their ass when they jumped. But I’m not dealing with if. I am dealing with facts. And the facts are that the current stadium that the Raiders play in holds 30,000 less people then the one they played in while in L.A. and yet they have just had their first sold out season since coming back.

As for the playoff games not selling out in L.A. I never said L.A. fans were better than Oakland fans. I was answering Hellraiders assessment that fans didn’t care in L.A. But even with 88,000 people in the stands it’s still 24,904 more people than could fit in the O. And even though you guys could sell out your playoff games you could not sellout the season games.

You may have sold out games in 2006, but not all of them. Despite the record the fans did not turn out all year. And cutting their hair had nothing to do with Metallica’s sellout. Hair length has nothing to do with making good music. Metallica sold out because they decided to follow the trends instead of setting them.

“Me I'm all about loyalty and respect...”

Really? All about loyalty. Unless the team moves to L.A. and then you are willing to wash your hands of them after 32 years of being a fan. Yeah, that sounds like loyalty. Mean while a shit ton of fans remain in L.A. despite the team moving back to Oakland. THAT is loyalty.

Again. I am not saying which fan base is batter than others. But don’t give me that ‘L.A. fans don’t care’ shit. Many of us care and have stayed with the team before they came to L.A. and after they left. There is a reason the fan base is called the Raider Nation and not the Oakland Nation.

[RAIDER MIKE]

The thing is you guys speak of teams moving like its a normal thing! The last NFL team to move was the Houston Oilers who now are the Tennessee Titans...that was 1999 (16 years ago) uh last Century..... Teams don't just move... You think Denver would move and become the LA Broncos or how about KC become the LA Chiefs? Or how about Miami or I know GB would move their team huh? They'll call them the LA Cheeseheads!  Fucking listen to what your saying!  "I don't care about The city of Oakland"....well don't EVER come here again to see a game then....the City of Oakland doesn't like you!  ..LOL!.... I mean where's the "Loyalty" in fucking over your fan base TWICE!  You say LA would seat more cause of the size of their stadium...well that's an fair assessment?...and comparison given Oakland can only seat 63,000? ....that talk don't mean dick!.... If we had 92,000 seats and filled it the same you couldn't back up your argument!  The LA Raiders didn't sell out the last time they hosted a AFC Champ game Vs Seahawks! Look it up 88,000 that's 5,000 short of Raiders fans in LA chose NOT to see them 1 game away from the SB and we won! ....LA Didn't sell out a AFC Championship game last time we win a SB? ......Would NOT happen in Oakland with playoffs happening!....cause I went to BOTH AFC Champ games and I paid $350+ each game and it was soooo sold out! .... Being a fan of the team and not caring where they play is all good ....I get it! .....Me I'm all about loyalty and respect...and moving to LA is like spitting in the faces of the LOYAL fans who sold out games in the 2006 2-14 season (would not happen in LA) they move to LA they'll be "selling out" and become a cooperate tool like the heavy metal band Metallica that cut their hair and became pussies!......That will be the end of my era as a Die Hard Raider fan....I don't give a fuck if anyone says shit....cause I know what I've done as a fan and I feel good about it..they could go on and win 20 SB's and I won't feel a shred of excitement  or barely notice..Technology is great in alot of ways....it allowed us to be in touch with Raider fans across the world....but really if you lived it with me in real life last 32 years....you'd understand what I'm talking about....Either way.... IF the Raiders move to LA or NOT.... it's a win win for Me! .....Cause they stay I get my team to watch forever....IF they move.... I'll call them the "LA Traitors" and wash my hands clean of 32 years of stupidity for thinking they would win another SB for Oakland and relieve myself from NFL football forever and live a different lifestyle on Sundays... So I'll let Mark Davis decide my Raider fan Hood future!.... He sells out.... I'm done.... he stays.... I'm a happy camper and continue to wait for our SB victory and support this team that has been here since 1960 their REAL HOME...they spent a summer vacation of 13 years in LA of 52 years of existence and people act like they belong there in LA....they won 1 SB and had a few playoff runs...nothing screams history other than Marcus Allen and Bo's (other indiv.) accomplishments.

I think If Mark Davis moves to LA it's a sign that he's ALL about money.... NOT winning and will SELL OUT...if he truly cares about the team....he can do the same thing they can do in LA..... build a stadium HERE or share one with the Niners.....that truly would mean he wants to win and keep the team close to Al!  We'll see what happens...may not know for 2 more years so no use in beating each other up over it....until a stadium is built and complete... NO team will move to LA!...those are cold hard facts!


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[RaiderWildeStyle]

2 Franchises were there once.........they left because nobody cared.................The Trojans are the team for LA......its a basketball and baseball town..............period............!

This is not true. If the supposed Oakland 'faithful' were the 'real' fans than why did it take until this year before they finally sold out all their home games since their return to Oakland? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/31/raiders-complete-first-full-season-sellout-since-returning-to-oakland/
This includes 3 AFC West titles, 3 playoff appearances, and  Super Bowl year all while back in Oakland. And when you consider that the L.A. stadium hold a little more than 30,000 more people than the O.co perhaps you see why they weren't that many sold out games in L.A(Coliseum holds 93,607 O.co holds 63,026). But despite all of that. Even when the move back to Oakland was known to the fans in L.A. 64,130 fans showed up to watch their last game against the Chiefs. 1,104 more people than could fit into the O.co.

I don't mean to turn this into some pissing contest meant to test everyones fanhood. But to say that the 'true' fans are in Oakland is bullshit(as their lack of attendance even during great seasons proves). The 'true' fans are everywhere in the nation. Anyone who loves the Raiders, sports their Raider gear no matter the overall record, watches every game they can(live or otherwise), and takes the time out of their day to post on forums and read the daily news about the Raiders is TRUE RAIDER FAN!! I don't care where the Raiders play(though I do think they should stay in Oakland). I root for the Silver and Black. Not for the city of Oakland.

GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!

The Raiders also have been giving 2for1 ticket offers away this season & free tickets to season ticket holders.

 A sell out is a sell out, but I can't think of the Raiders having a straight sell out.(Maybe KC & DEN???)

The free ticket offer for season tix holder was for the Browns Game (how weak is that, Al Davis dies & raiders are struggling to fill the house to honour a legend so they give away tickets on the week leading up to the game)

the 2 for 1 offer was available on the Patriots & Jets games right at the start of the season. They extended it at some point for the rest of the games through the season. (I don't think Denver & KC homegames had the 2for1 ticket offer) but I do know the Bears, Lions & maybe even the Chargers had a 2 for 1 ticket offer.

I only bring this up because attendance figures will ultimately be whether Mark decides to keep the team in this region. I think the Oakland received a likelihood boost of Raiders staying in Oakland because the house was packed every game this year. But it'd be interesting to see if they could fill the house without the help of these very enticing promotions. (They wouldn't run these kind of promos in Green Bay or San Franciso)

[Raidersully]

2 Franchises were there once.........they left because nobody cared.................The Trojans are the team for LA......its a basketball and baseball town..............period............!

This is not true. If the supposed Oakland 'faithful' were the 'real' fans than why did it take until this year before they finally sold out all their home games since their return to Oakland? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/31/raiders-complete-first-full-season-sellout-since-returning-to-oakland/
This includes 3 AFC West titles, 3 playoff appearances, and  Super Bowl year all while back in Oakland. And when you consider that the L.A. stadium hold a little more than 30,000 more people than the O.co perhaps you see why they weren't that many sold out games in L.A(Coliseum holds 93,607 O.co holds 63,026). But despite all of that. Even when the move back to Oakland was known to the fans in L.A. 64,130 fans showed up to watch their last game against the Chiefs. 1,104 more people than could fit into the O.co.

The reason Al left was not because of attendance. It was because what was promised to him(luxury boxes) was never done. Along with the damage caused by the Northridge earthquake the Los Angeles Sports Commission halted further planned renovations to the Coliseum. Oakland promised new renovations so Al went back.

The Rams left L.A. for Anaheim(which is not in L.A.) because they too were unhappy with the stadium and L.A.'s refusal to build another one better suited for football. She left Anaheim for St. Louis because St. Louis gave her the best deal for a new stadium.

Yet despite these teams leaving you still find lots of faithful fans. Everywhere I go you see Raider merchandise. Whether on cars or on people. If the Raiders have no love here than why are there at least 4 Raider Image locations in the SoCal area? Are there any in Texas? Or New York? How about Florida? Store only stay open because they can sell enough to do so. Money talks, and the money shows that SoCal has enough Raider fans to keep stores that sell merchandise exclusive to one team and one team only open. There are no Cowboy stores here and they are supposed to be 'America's Team'.

I don't mean to turn this into some pissing contest meant to test everyones fanhood. But to say that the 'true' fans are in Oakland is bullshit(as their lack of attendance even during great seasons proves). The 'true' fans are everywhere in the nation. Anyone who loves the Raiders, sports their Raider gear no matter the overall record, watches every game they can(live or otherwise), and takes the time out of their day to post on forums and read the daily news about the Raiders is TRUE RAIDER FAN!! I don't care where the Raiders play(though I do think they should stay in Oakland). I root for the Silver and Black. Not for the city of Oakland.

GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!

[RAIDERNITEMARE]

Nothing has been shot down...options are still open, just because Goodell say something dont mean he can keep a team from moving...Mark Davis is in the drivers seat and he will do whatever it takes to get a stadium for the RAIDERS...personally I dont care where the Raiders make home, as a fan like all of you...I want them closer to me...but if they move to England...I will still be a RAIDER fan...cities dont mean shit...topics like this shows whos a real Raider and eliminates the fakers!...RAIDERNATION for Life homies!...

[HELLRAIDER]

2 Franchises were there once.........they left because nobody cared.................The Trojans are the team for LA......its a basketball and baseball town..............period............!

[raider kyle]

I heard that the chance the raiders move to la has been shot down....YES!!!! I didn't think it was fair to move back to LA especially since the fan base is so good in oakland

[Randy]

Raiders likely to remain in Oakland
by Just Blog Baby

http://justblogbaby.com/2012/02/04/raiders-likely-to-remain-in-oakland/

[Randy]

Tidbit from everyone favorite mercury blogger TIM KAWAKAMI in regards to the Santa Clara Stadium

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/02/jed-york-on-the-49ers-200m-stadium-allocation-from-the-nfl-nothing-tangible-with-the-raiders-and-more/

And York said he worked out with Mark Davis earlier today, and had lunch with him, but said that they didn’t really talk about anything except football.

Folks, now that the 49ers are locking up financing without Raiders involvement, the chances of the Raiders sharing a Santa Clara are almost nil.

The only way the 49ers were going to contemplating sharing a new stadium with the Raiders is if they couldn’t get the money any other way. They’re getting the money.

And I don’t think Mark Davis is very interested in sharing a stadium, anyway.

I still don't understand how a $200 Million loan (not gift) from the NFL makes this a slam dunk that the 49ers wouldn't want to share the stadium. If the money is just a loan, as I've read that it is, they'll have to pay it back...probably with interest. The stadium will cost a Billion dollars or more. So even with this loan, they still have to come up with a full Billion dollars or more eventually. How does this loan make it less likely that the 49ers would want to save a half billion dollars if they can?


Here's an article about the "loan":
http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_19878108?source=autofeed#



well, maybe it's NOT a loan (even they they refer to it as one)....read this
Here is an exerpt from the above article:

"...The 49ers owner, however, rejected characterizing the NFL's contribution as a straight loan, saying it amounted to "NFL support" for the project, composed of a "fairly intricate" combination that will go toward financing construction of the stadium

There had been speculation the NFL would press the 49ers and Oakland Raiders to share the Santa Clara stadium in order to secure the financing, but York said there is no link to the $200 million contribution. "We've been asked to keep the communications open," said York, adding that he worked out and had lunch with Raiders owner Mark Davis earlier Thursday in Indianapolis.

Amy Trask, the Raiders CEO, declined to comment because she's tied up with NFL business in Indianapolis, but she has said in the past the team is exploring all options for a new stadium, including the possibility of joining the 49ers."



Here's how much club seats in the new stadium will cost. The cost of the cheaper seats won't be released till this summer:

http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_19697974

http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_19853863?source=pkg

[RaiderWildeStyle]

Tidbit from everyone favorite mercury blogger TIM KAWAKAMI in regards to the Santa Clara Stadium

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/02/jed-york-on-the-49ers-200m-stadium-allocation-from-the-nfl-nothing-tangible-with-the-raiders-and-more/

And York said he worked out with Mark Davis earlier today, and had lunch with him, but said that they didn’t really talk about anything except football.

Folks, now that the 49ers are locking up financing without Raiders involvement, the chances of the Raiders sharing a Santa Clara are almost nil.

The only way the 49ers were going to contemplating sharing a new stadium with the Raiders is if they couldn’t get the money any other way. They’re getting the money.

And I don’t think Mark Davis is very interested in sharing a stadium, anyway.

[Randy]

I don't want the league to expand to 34 teams... How the hell do we figure out how many teams in a division??? 34 divided by any even number 4 thru 8 just doesn't compute.

If they expand the league to 34 teams, they could have two divisions with 5 teams each and the rest would stay at 4 each. It's been done before.

That would effect the tiebreakers?

Do they go on a percentage for conference/division wins or total games? (obviously it would have to be percentage if each division had a different amount of in conference games)

I don't know how they handled the tiebreakers when they had those other configurations. I'm sure they'd figure something out. It sure is nice now though, with 4 teams in each division. The rotation system is perfect now.....having each team play each other team once away every 4 years and once home every 4 years. When they had less than 32 teams in the league, there was NO rotation really. Remember how some teams wouldn't play each other for years and other played pretty often. I'd hate to go back to that.

[RaiderWildeStyle]

I don't want the league to expand to 34 teams... How the hell do we figure out how many teams in a division??? 34 divided by any even number 4 thru 8 just doesn't compute.

If they expand the league to 34 teams, they could have two divisions with 5 teams each and the rest would stay at 4 each. It's been done before.

That would effect the tiebreakers?

Do they go on a percentage for conference/division wins or total games? (obviously it would have to be percentage if each division had a different amount of in conference games)

[Randy]

I don't want the league to expand to 34 teams... How the hell do we figure out how many teams in a division??? 34 divided by any even number 4 thru 8 just doesn't compute.

If they expand the league to 34 teams, they could have two divisions with 5 teams each and the rest would stay at 4 each. It's been done before.

Here are all the different division configurations that have been used in the past:


32 teams (2002-present)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/2002


31 teams (1999-2001)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/1999


28 teams (1977-1994)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/1977


28 teams (1976)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/1976


26 teams (1970-1975)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/standings.nsf/Seasons/1970

[RaiderWildeStyle]

& plus the ownership group who wants to build the stadium in L.A now has a massive leverage in the bargaining stakes.

He could play hardball with any potential suitors with one of the current 32 NFL owners & just say that he already has a proposal from mystery/fake capitalist group to bid on one of these expansion teams.

I don't want the league to expand to 34 teams... How the hell do we figure out how many teams in a division??? 34 divided by any even number 4 thru 8 just doesn't compute.

[RaiderWildeStyle]

Yeah I must say I was surprised by his comments. The first I've heard of this plan(possible smoke screen) for 2 expansion teams in LA. In one respect gr8 news for the bay area but to your point will this prompt the raiders & others to act quickly?
Quite frankly even if Roger wants the teams to stay put does he have the power to stop it? Your right the precedent has been set...
I guess I just find it difficult to believe that a commissioner hell bent on protecting the sheild, image, amplifying the fan experience will allow a team to be uprooted from its fans without a fight(legal).

Is his name Stan Kroenke??? (owner of the RAMS)

Well supposedly he is in the bidding negotiations to purchase the L.A Dodgers. If he does that... He can give the ownership of the baseball team to one of his family members and then just lease Dodgers Stadium for the RAMS to play in L.A.

Goodell can't stop him & The Rams already have a fanbase (albiet a smaller one to the NATION)

But if Goodell wants to make a expansion teams, he better call up the guy willing to build Farmers Field. Otherwise I think we will see in the next few weeks/months movement on a team potentially moving to L.A.

[NCRaider]

NFLN showing clips from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's state of the union address says league might expand to 34 teams if it returns to L.A. market, with the expansion teams playing in L.A.

Goodell wants to keep his teams where they are but I can Gaurentee the owners in St Louis, San Diego, Jacksonville, Minesota ect are all salivitating at the thought of getting to L.A.

It would increase the value of their franchises... If Roger Goodell thinks he can tell owners where they can stay then he's in for big surprise. (Al Davis set the precedent by suing Pete Rozelle & the NFL)

I think Goodell's words will only speed up the process of certain teams announcing their intentions to move to L.A (That's if anyone is willing to move to Los Angeles & alienate their fan base in the next couple of years whilst the current stadium lease expires/until L.A stadium is built)

Yeah I must say I was surprised by his comments. The first I've heard of this plan (possible smoke screen) for 2 expansion teams in LA. In one respect gr8 news for the bay area but to your point will this prompt the raiders & others to act quickly?

Quite frankly even if Roger wants the teams to stay put does he have the power to stop it? You're right, the precedent has been set...

I guess I just find it difficult to believe that a commissioner hell bent on protecting the sheild, image, amplifying the fan experience will allow a team to be uprooted from its fans without a fight (legal).

[RaiderWildeStyle]

NFLN showing clips from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's state of the union address says league might expand to 34 teams if it returns to L.A. market, with the expansion teams playing in L.A.

Goodell wants to keep his teams where they are but I can guarantee the owners in St Louis, San Diego, Jacksonville, Minnesota etc are all salivatating at the thought of getting to L.A.

It would increase the value of their franchises... If Roger Goodell thinks he can tell owners where they can stay then he's in for big surprise. (Al Davis set the precedent by suing Pete Rozelle & the NFL)

I think Goodell's words will only speed up the process of certain teams announcing their intentions to move to L.A (That's if anyone is willing to move to Los Angeles & alienate their fan base in the next couple of years whilst the current stadium lease expires/until L.A stadium is built)

[NCRaider]

NFLN showing clips from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's state of the union address says league might expand to 34 teams if it returns to L.A. market, with the expansion teams playing in L.A. He's says he wants to keep teams where they ARE now....

[RaiderWildeStyle]

Question is.. If the Raiders do move back to L.A, Do you do what half the fan base of the Raiders did 30 years ago & jump on the 49'ers bandwagon?

It was the worst possible outcome for Al Davis maintaining his northern Cali fanbase when he moved South... Sure the Raiders won their fairshare of Lombardis in L.A but the early 80's saw one of the greatest dynasty form in the history of all sports.. the mighty 49'ers who won 5 Lombardis over the span of the next 15 or so years.

I have my own pros & cons about a move to Los Angeles.

PRO:
*More Coverage for International fans (media talks about us more, more prime time games are alloted cause it's L.A)
*Raiders have easier ability to attract free agents (SOCAL>NOCAL lifestyle, weather is better... Plus L.A has a large population & you'd be able to attract a bigger pool of players cheap on the hometown discount "Like your Marcus Allens")


CONS: (A lot of gameday Cons for me)
*Alienated fanbase (sure it'd be sweet for L.A Raider Nation, But the Bay Area would truly become a Niner town)
*Ticket pricing (You can kiss goodbye the rowdy blue collar hardcore fan, We'd be the new Wine&Cheese Nation)
*Farmers Field (All but rules out the tailgating experience, Hopefully Dodgers Stadium becomes a NFL reality)
*Couldn't visit my RNP friends and families @ Kingsford Kirk tailgate... But I'm sure there'd be a bunch of NoCAL fans who'd still make every game in SoCAL cause they bleed silver & Black... Just like you meet people at the Coliseum who fly up from L.A every Sunday. (They can afford too, but it's not possible for everyone)


Hey last thought, I wonder if the city of Oakland would have a good enough case to sue Mark Davis if he did want to move to Los Angeles? The law suit could aim to achieve what the people of Seattle did when their Sonics moved to Oklahoma or what the people of Cleveland did when the former Browns ownership wanted to do when they moved to Baltimore??? I guess there is a precedent that the Davis family has already moved to Los Angeles so that he'd probably win that case... But would fence sitters like Raider MIKE be keen to support the Raiders if owned by another group & Mark splits to L.A & turns the Raiders into the L.A Hotrods football team.

[Millernation]

Bowl cut doesn't give a frogs fat azz about th raiders, he will milk them dry then sell the team.  He will go where the money is.  he would move the team to Iran if the price was right

[Randy]

This article just posted by Kingsford Kirk on FB ...makes me feel a little better and shut the talk down a little ...take a read the NFL wants to expand to 34 teams and use LA as the site!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/02/commissioner-roger-goodell-nfl-might-expand-to-34-teams-to-include-los-angeles/1

That's good and bad. Every time they expand the league and add more teams, it makes it that much harder to make the Superbowl. Right now, with 32 teams......if all teams were equal......each team would win one Superbowl every 32 years. With 34 teams it would average to 34 years!

It's been 29 years since the Raiders won their last one.....so it's almost our time! Let's see.....we last won in 1983. Add 32 years.....that would have us winning in 2015. Then with 34 teams we would be due for our next win in 2049. I can't wait! I'll be 96. 

[Matty Raider]

This article just posted by Kingsford Kirk on FB ...makes me feel a little better and shut the talk down a little ...take a read the NFL wants to expand to 34 teams and use LA as the site!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/02/commissioner-roger-goodell-nfl-might-expand-to-34-teams-to-include-los-angeles/1

Great link - thanks Mike.  Goodell can suck it though.  Him and his "small market" areas/teams he is always yapping about.  He wants to move less "sexy" teams to major cities - i.e. Jacksonville, Buffalo, etc.  Especially Buffalo - not only b/c it is my home state but that it is actually the only REAL team that plays in NY.  (Giants and Jets play in NJ)  The Raiders/Bills games there are great contests and it's ball-busting btwn fans the entire time.  Bills fans are die-hard and they love their team.  It's all a f'n money grab.  Buffalo is a great city and a great atmosphere for football.  These suits want all glitz and glamour, they don't give a damn about history or their fans.  The league has enough teams already - if you don't think so, anyone care to watch a Browns/Bucs game?    I actually became a Raiders fan when they were in LA in the late 80s.  I am glad they moved back to Oakland and it is my hope they will always stay there.   

[RAIDER MIKE]

This article just posted by Kingsford Kirk on FB ...makes me feel a little better and shut the talk down a little ...take a read the NFL wants to expand to 34 teams and use LA as the site!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/02/commissioner-roger-goodell-nfl-might-expand-to-34-teams-to-include-los-angeles/1

[NCRaider]

There was talk of a concept being proposed to Oakland City council called "Coliseum City" has that been ruled out of the equation going forward?

 

[Raider Greg]

Its stupid for the NFL to want to put a shared stadium with two teams that dont share the same city name and are rivals and to put it in Santa Clara?...Cant wait for the Raiders to come back L.A.....Mark Davis knows wheres the money is at...L.A. homie!!!...come back home fuck the rest!...

I know the LA Raider Nation would love to see the Raiders return to LA.....Be careful what you ask for Bro...... The PSL or "Private Seat License" will be INSANE!!!! First you will need to pay the PSL and for decent seats as much as $20,000.00 for a pair of seats......THAT only gives you the right to buy your tickets at 2,000.00 for the pair each season....AND GET THIS... IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO BUY YOUR SEATS YOU CANNOT SELL THE PLS.... NOPE THEY CHARGE THE NEST SEASON TICKET HOLDER A PLS....AND YOUR STUCK WITH  SHIT IN YOUR HAND...... This is Why I am happy with the Coliseum..... it might be old and gray but its HOME and the cost of a seat is affordable to the average family...... Mark Davis wants MILLIONaires to come to games..... That would knock Raider Greg out of the game... Thats why.....A SHARED STADIUM IS THE BEST FOR THE FANS..... WE CAN SHARE THE COST BETWEEN TWO FAN BASES......THEN THE COST WOULD BE AT LEAST REASONABLE.....

[RAIDER MIKE]

Its stupid for the NFL to want to put a shared stadium with two teams that dont share the same city name and are rivals and to put it in Santa Clara?...Cant wait for the Raiders to come back L.A.....Mark Davis knows wheres the money is at...L.A. homie!!!...come back home fuck the rest!...

I'll be calling them the "LA Traiders" for the rest of my life! ....They could move there and win 20 SB's and I won't give a fuck or even know about it!  They can sell out if they want too....rappers and heavy metal bands do it all the time ....SELL OUT and become a cooperate tool! .....Raiders will be nothing more than a cooperate tool moving to LA....their mystic will be gone...they'll have a nice burst of excitement when they get there the first couple years...wait till they lose and fans leave a new stadium empty and Mark will be forced to sell it to a cooperate asshole in 3 years and the team will be owned by someone who will care less about winning and more concern about butts in seats and become a futuristic Lions of the new century!  There will be no Al Davis to bridge the fan base back together...it'll be fucking stupid...but I'll feel relieved knowing I don't have to give a fuck about the bullshit anymore...So if they leave I'm free....they stay...well I'll be happy and continue to watch them climb the mountain like I have the last 32 years! 


Sent from my iPhone bitch!

[Randy]

Its stupid for the NFL to want to put a shared stadium with two teams that don't share the same city name and are rivals and to put it in Santa Clara?

What about the Giants and the Jets? They share a stadium that not only isn't in New York City, it isn't even in the same state! It's in East Rutherford, New Jersey!

I did notice while looking through these articles about their shared stadium.....in the first article, written before the stadium was built, they anticipated the cost being $800 Million. The third article, written as the stadium was about to open, said the cost turned out to be $1.6 Billion......double the original estimate!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/sports/football/29cnd-stadium.html?pagewanted=all

http://technorati.com/sports/football/article/giants-jets-open-up-new-stadium/

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/new_meadowlands_stadium_opens.html

[RAIDERNITEMARE]

Its stupid for the NFL to want to put a shared stadium with two teams that dont share the same city name and are rivals and to put it in Santa Clara?...Cant wait for the Raiders to come back L.A.....Mark Davis knows wheres the money is at...L.A. homie!!!...come back home fuck the rest!...

[Randy]

Randy-

As I read this I'm trying to figure out if this is hurts or improves the raiders chances of:

a) getting league approval for funding for a new Oakland stadium when presented
b) increases chances of the raiders playing in the santa Clara with the 9rs
c) worst case moving to LA (IMO)?

Curious, does anyone not living in the bay area care?

a) I think the fact that the NLF owners voted to grant the stadium money to the 49ers probably WOULD make it harder for the Raiders to get a grant of their own, since the NFL is encouraging the 49ers and Raiders to share the stadium. I'm wondering if they would also grant the Raiders an equal amount of money to go in half and half. They're granting the 49ers $200 million towards a $1 Billion stadium. If they also granted the Raiders $200 million, then they would only.....ONLY  .... have to come up with another $600 Million. Actually....I'm just re-reading they articles...and it looks like this money isn't a grant...it's a loan. I don't know the terms of the loan, but I guess the whole $1 Billion will have to be paid at some point (plus interest).

b) I don't think this increases the chances of the Raiders playing in Santa Clara or decreases, since I think it was probably expected that this "loan" would be approved by the NFL owners.

c) Increase Raiders chances of moving to LA? I don't know why this would increase or decrease that likelihood.


I think that sharing a stadium seems like the only reasonable option if the Raiders want to stay in the Bay Area. I know they prefer Oakland to Santa Clara, but trying to build a new stadium on their own would be a lot tougher. I don't think people are going to accept personal seat licenses....AGAIN. They have finally sold out the Coliseum for every game of the season, but it wouldn't take long to reverse that if ticket prices go up, and especially if we don't start winning more!

[RaiderWildeStyle]

Randy-

As I read this I'm trying to figure out if this is hurts or improves the raiders chances of:

a) getting league approval for funding for a new Oakland stadium when presented
b) increases chances of the raiders playing in the santa Clara with the 9rs
c) worst case moving to LA (IMO)?

Curious, does anyone not living in the bay area care?

Mark Davis said at Reggie McKenzie hire press conference that L.A was a possibility and that Sharing stadium at Santa Clara was a potential possibility... If you're like me and trying to read between the lines then the word 'potential' indicates 'more likely than LA'

A stadium is not getting built in Oakland (IMO). The Oakland City Council can't afford it & no private investment will flow in because the current site is in the ghetto.

I think what will happen is the Raiders will get an invitation from Jed York to be tenants of the new 49'ers stadium... But they may try & bully the Raiders out of the Bay Area by not even extending an invitation & forcing Mark Davis back to Southern California... That's my take on it & how I see it panning out.

[NCRaider]

Randy-

As I read this I'm trying to figure out if this is hurts or improves the raiders chances of:

a) getting league approval for funding for a new Oakland stadium when presented
b) increases chances of the raiders playing in the santa Clara with the 9rs
c) worst case moving to LA (IMO)?

Curious, does anyone not living in the bay area care?

[Randy]

Owners Approve Loan for 49ers

for the Santa Clara stadium...

"N.F.L. owners, in a brief meeting here Thursday, approved a $200 million loan for the San Francisco 49ers, who hope to soon break ground in Santa Clara, Calif., on a replacement for Candlestick Park.

The stadium, which would be across the street from the 49ers’ training facility, is likely to cost about $1 billion, and will seat about 68,000 people. The rest of the project will be funded by an $850 million construction loan that Santa Clara approved in December.

Site preparation has already begun for the stadium and it could be ready for the 2014 or 2015 season. There remains the chance that the Oakland Raiders – who are also badly in need of a new stadium – could share the stadium with the 49ers. That would solve one of the N.F.L.’s thorniest problems – all of its teams in California need new stadiums, and a new stadium will also have to be built In Los Angeles before a team moves there, but there is little support for publicly-funded stadiums in the state."

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/owners-approve-loan-for-49ers/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8268ad55/article/nfl-will-help-niners-pay-for-new-stadium-in-santa-clara

http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_19878108

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/58607/about-the-49ers-new-ownership-partner

[Tokai Raider]

I think California University is where the kids from Beverly Hills 90210 went to college. (It was one of the few English shows on TV when I first moved to Japan.)

Where the Raiders would play for a few years while the stadium is built would be relatively easy to arrange. Candlestick, maybe, Cal, or Stanford. The bigger issue is who would pay for it and how much would tickets cost. Anyone want to pay $80,000 for the right to get season tickets on the 50 yard line at the Niners' new stadium? If you thought the last PSLs were bad, just wait for the new ones.

The Warriors are so full of shit it's unbelievable. They claim that they have the oldest arena, or the second-oldest, or something, when their arena was completely gutted and rebuilt just recently. It's not the same arena, but they whine that it is. And then the press repeats the lie. Why? Because the SF papers want the team in SF. Meanwhile, they fill the stands even though they haven't been a relevant team since Rick Barry played for them. And that was so long ago that Rick Barry's kids aren't even playing anymore. Sure there was Run DMC, but a couple years of success doesn't make you relevant. Consistent winning does. So let those fuckers leave. They have a brand-new training facility in Oakland and a new arena, but all they care about is the increased value of the team when they sell it. So fuck 'em.

The A's are moving to SJ. Sad, but true.

Can a "Coliseum City" live with only 1 sports tenant that only has 8 home games a year? The Raiders and Niners should share a stadium. It makes sense financially. And maybe with 2 teams, they could cut the cost of the PSLs so that someone other than Larry Ellison could afford them. It would be great if that stadium were in Oakland, and the Coliseum is a good spot for that. It has a freeway, BART, and Amtrak service, and it could be rebuilt so it's not so ... barren. But we need to remember that wherever these teams play, the price of tickets will be ridiculously high.

[Randy]

Coliseum City isn't happening...The Question I must raise is if the Raiders do get involved in this Coliseum City (& knock the old one down) where do they play for those 3 or 4 years it would take to build the new structure??? Could CAL University host them???

Your Bay Area knowledge is always impressive, especially considering you're "down under". One minor error in your wording though....I've never heard of the University of California referred to as "CAL University". I've heard it referred to as:

The University of California
UC Berkeley
Cal Berkeley
UC Berkeley
Berkeley

or just plain "Cal"

but not "CAL University" 

[Randy]

Coliseum City isn't happening...

If the Raiders move to Los Angeles (or elsewhere)... You won't hear anything until the 11th hour (week 16 of 2013 season) because Mark Davis & Co would be idiotic to tell of their L.A intentions and watch the Raider Nation boycott the organization in masses whilst the Raiders play out the 2012 'n' 2013 seasons of their O.Co stadium lease.

You're right about that. That's how I was able to get my first season tickets for the Raiders in 1980. They had been sold out for almost a decade and there was a long waiting list of people wanting season tickets.....until.....word got out that they were planning to move to LA......then people got mad, started giving up their season tickets, and I was able to get them for the '80 and '81 seasons.....then they did move to LA.

By the way, I was paying $170 per season for my one seat back then....$17 a game. Now I pay $151 a game. Well, I'm in the club section now....a little better than the wooden bleacher seat I had back then....but it was fun! They didn't always win though. They had their troubles back then too.

In 1981 the Raiders were SHUT OUT in three consecutive games. Games 4, 5, and 6. 16-0 at Detroit, 17-0 at home vs the Broncos, then 27-0 at KC. One of my friends, who was a 49ers fan, went to the record books and told me that the last team to have three consecutive shutouts handed to them was the New York Yankees football team. Did any of you even know there was a Yankees football team? They played in the "First" AFL in 1926, then the NFL in '27 and '28.

After those three shutouts in '81, the Raiders finally won against Tampa Bay 18-16 in game 7 to break the shutout streak. Three consecutive shutouts is an all-time record the Raiders still share with the Yankees. The Raiders finished that season 7-9.....then played in LA the following year....the strike shortened 1982 season where they finished 8-1.....then had the Superbowl year in '83.

P.S.

I looked up the New York Yankees football team's 1928 season game scores, and they actually got shut out 4 consecutive games. But the 2nd of those 4 shutouts was not a loss, it was a tie (0-0) against the Packers. Check it out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1928_New_York_Yankees_season_%28NFL%29

[RaiderWildeStyle]

Coliseum City isn't happening.. It's a last ditch plan by Mayor Quan to get all 3 teams to stay. Raiders are the most likely team out of the 3 sporting teams currently at the Coliseum to stay with the Athletics all but gone (announcement soon from the MLB) & The Warriors front office has made it been known that they want to eventually move to San Francisco.

If those 2 tenants do leave.. the Raiders will be free to build their own stadium in the Oakland lot...

The Question I must raise is if the Raiders do get involved in this Coliseum City (& knock the old one down) where do they play for those 3 or 4 years it would take to build the new structure??? Could CAL University host them??? I have no idea... Perhaps they could play in Santa Clara or Candlestick while we build our new digs.

I think we will find out more info about the Raiders stadium plans in this offseason (If it's in the Bay Area).. Roger Goodell is going to have to wait til Monday until the Niners get booted from the playoffs and then he can discuss the funding aspects of 2 Bay Area teams sharing the same stadium.

If the Raiders move to Los Angeles (or elsewhere)... You won't hear anything until the 11th hour (week 16 of 2013 season) because Mark Davis & Co would be idiotic to tell of their L.A intentions and watch the Raider Nation boycott the organization in masses whilst the Raiders play out the 2012 'n' 2013 seasons of their O.Co stadium lease.

[Randy]

Did you guys see this proposal for a new "Coliseum City?
This isn't a new story, it's over a month old, but I didn't post it at the time so I'm doing it now.



http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2011/12/09/quan-pushing-plan-for-sports-village-for-as-warriors-and-raiders

[Raider Frank]

I know that the “O” needs a lot of work, luxury boxes, smaller stadium etc....

I can see them sharing a stadium with the 49ers.
But the prices they are going to charge their fans are outrageous.
They can almost guarantee an empty stadium or filled with a lot of corporate wannabes

Those costs that they will try to get from Raider fans, well good luck
Not the hard hat, working class types that are real Raider fans.
I know we have fans that are Lawyers and Doctors and the like
but the majority of fans are like all of us.

Stay in Oakland or find a new site in the Bay area

With one goal in mind
“Just win Baby”
 
Go Raiders
Raider Frank

[ManchesterRaider]

As an Englishman the very idea of a sporting organisation simply moving lock, stock and barrel to another area is unthinkable! I can only think of one example where a soccer team team did this, Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes a mere 63 miles away ( not that far in US terms ) and the backlash and controversey were enormous! This is because a sporting organisation over here is so much part of a communities identity that it defines you. If I go anywhere round the globe and I'm asked where Im from the mere mention of Manchester invariably leads to a response of, "Ah! Manchester United!!!", usually followed by a role call of their favourite past players! The vast majority of fans have a club or team 'bestowed upon them' due to their geographic home. For example I know lots of guys that grew up as Rochdale fans because that's where they lived and subsequently have watched lesser standard soccer than a friend who lived a few miles up the road who could claim to support a bigger club like Manchester United or Manchester City.

I say all this because it must be heartbreaking to have your club ripped from your breast and plonked down somewhere near LA with no thought being given to the fans who have supported the organisation in the most important way I.e. filling the stadium and putting ticket money in the hands of the owners.

There are many things to admire in American sport such as the draft system and the excitement of the play-offs but the 'franchise' culture is one aspect that I'm pleased to say we don't have here in the UK.

PS I hope that if the Raiders do relocate to LA then I hope the enthusiasm of Randy and Gregs to produce the podcast does not diminish as its a lifeline here in the UK as to all things Raiders and I really enjoy the show.

Keep up the good work, Raiders for life!

[RAIDER MIKE]

Can't stand this topic as much as how long it's been since we won a SB! World looks more and more like its going to end in 2012 like the movie! hehehe


Sent from my iPhone bitch!

[Randy]

Mark Davis, post-presser: “Los Angeles is a possibility. Wherever is a possibility”

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/01/10/mark-davis-post-presser-los-angeles-is-a-possibility-wherever-is-a-possibility/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825e32fc/article/mark-davis-not-against-idea-of-raiders-moving-from-bay-area-?module=HP11_writer_experts

[Millernation]

Yeah, keep the raiders in oakland, we have enough trouble with the doyers fans out here (joke)

[HELLRAIDER]

I decided to create a new topic within the Raiders Talk board, entitled "Stadium Issues".
We can discuss any stadium related things here, as in...."Will the Raiders stay in Oakland?.....Will they build a new stadium here? Will they leave Oakland for a new stadium elsewhere?, should they share a new stadium with the 49ers?" etc.

Here's an article I just ran across from a 49ers fan who would be in favor of the Raiders and 49ers sharing a stadium because he thinks it would put the Raiders a notch below the 49ers since the stadium would be in Santa Clara and he thinks the Raiders would be in essence "sub leasing" the stadium. He likes the idea of having the Raiders a notch below the 49ers.


49ers Stadium Issues: Oakland Raiders fans versus San Francisco 49ers Fans

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/5/19/2180171/49ers-stadium-issues-oakland-raiders-fans-versus-san-francisco-49ers

HEY.........FUCK THOSE NINER BITCHES!!!!!!. Now that I got that out....EVERYONE here in the Bay area KNOWS that the Oakland Coliseum property is the BEST place for a stadium for EVERY reason...The Niners are not doing there fans any favors moving to Santa Clara...Its Hours away from the City and its a commute NIGHTMARE! Oakland is closer and it already has Bart (Millions of public money will need to be spent for a bart station in Santa Clara) and is within "walking" distance from Oakland Airport. The Train is very close and a Ferry Port could be added for "Those" other fans....The land around it is prime for redevlopement and has room for new hotels resturants ect. Bottom line is this is the 800lb gorrila in the room and THIS is where the NEW stadium should be......The Santa Clara idea had been a pain in the ass for years and there are people that will make HUGE money that bought up all the land around the Santa Calara area way before the stadium deal was released to the public......Once again the NFL is looking out for the ultra rich and well fuck the fans.......

KEEP EM' IN OAKLAND.......................!  LA RAIDERS ALWAYS SOUNDED STRANGE TO ME!